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Can you guys start a separate thread titled "Jersey is ace - oh no it isn't" and leave this one to a discussion on IOM and the coronavirus?

...and I so wanted a long illustrious career at the DHSC   I run my own company so my involvement with the DHSC to set up and keep the COVID19 lab running wasn't exactly in the professional caree

I'll put a big disclaimer here that I'm not the person who decides who gets tested and when.  Saying that, I am a scientist who understands that if you test someone on the day they arrive and the

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1 hour ago, pongo said:

She is an expert in this area and has carefully tried to explain to you why "testing on arrival" might not be the most effective approach here.

Looking forward to you properly addressing these points @Banker .

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2 hours ago, dilligaf said:

Only on Manx forums could a highly qualified biochemist have her knowledge belittled by simple folk who may think they are clever in their own back yard. FFS. Take a step back and think about what you are trying to say.

I don’t believe she is a biochemist. Her online biography states that she trained as a molecular microbiologist, developing diagnostic assays for use in a commercial/statutory testing lab and then moved into bioinformatics with the emergence of next-generation sequencing. Her research interests are said to involve genomic epidemiology, biodiversity informatics and improving metagenomic and metabarcoding methods for species detection. As I understand it biochemistry has more to do with the chemical reactions that happen within the body. Whereas Molecular Biology focuses more on the structure and the relationships between four molecules (proteins, lipids, carbohydrates and nucleic acids) in the body.

She is clearly a very bright lady nonetheless but does not seem to be a biochemist. 

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4 hours ago, pongo said:

But the IOM is testing people. As deemed necessary.

Do you believe that people should be tested on arrival - ie do you disagree with the informed post I quoted above?

What is deemed necessary? They are not testing ALL key workers who arrive from U.K. on arrival or after seven days.That is a fact. Only those they choose to test. Why is that?

Is it because they don't have the capability? 

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56 minutes ago, bonatti said:

What is deemed necessary? They are not testing ALL key workers who arrive from U.K. on arrival or after seven days.That is a fact. Only those they choose to test. Why is that?

Is it because they don't have the capability? 

It shouldn't be.  Tests since the end of July have been running at around 60 per day[1], which with a capacity of 200 per day would give 840 a week.  With only 600 supposed to be arriving each week that should be covered, though it might mean mean some delays if some days of the week were much busier than others.

[1]  Current tests 10,647 less tests as at 30 July of 8,222 spread over 41 days.

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3 hours ago, Southfork said:

I don’t believe she is a biochemist. Her online biography states that she trained as a molecular microbiologist, developing diagnostic assays for use in a commercial/statutory testing lab and then moved into bioinformatics with the emergence of next-generation sequencing. Her research interests are said to involve genomic epidemiology, biodiversity informatics and improving metagenomic and metabarcoding methods for species detection. As I understand it biochemistry has more to do with the chemical reactions that happen within the body. Whereas Molecular Biology focuses more on the structure and the relationships between four molecules (proteins, lipids, carbohydrates and nucleic acids) in the body.

She is clearly a very bright lady nonetheless but does not seem to be a biochemist. 

Still knows a damn site more than me. I trust her judgement. 

 

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Operation Moonshot.

In the UK, they are looking at 500,000 tests a day by the end of October. 

Predicting system of swabs or saliva and can turn round results in 90 or even 20 minutes, millions of test processed every day.

Could be ready by Spring next year and would help to avoid another lockdown.

BMA dubious.

Taken from BBC news.


So, we will have wait for a vaccine and / or a new system of testing, unless something else happens. Can't really see us doing anything drastically different from the UK till then.

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6 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

It shouldn't be.  Tests since the end of July have been running at around 60 per day[1], which with a capacity of 200 per day would give 840 a week.  With only 600 supposed to be arriving each week that should be covered, though it might mean mean some delays if some days of the week were much busier than others.

[1]  Current tests 10,647 less tests as at 30 July of 8,222 spread over 41 days.

Whereas Jersey can do 2000 per day and Guernsey are building infrastructure to do similar for next phase.

whilst we can argue about when easing should start there should be no argument that IOM should be investing in infrastructure to be able to do similar.

also the lack of any real plan to get out of this is concerning to many on both sides of argument 

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4 minutes ago, Banker said:

Whereas Jersey can do 2000 per day and Guernsey are building infrastructure to do similar for next phase.

whilst we can argue about when easing should start there should be no argument that IOM should be investing in infrastructure to be able to do similar.

also the lack of any real plan to get out of this is concerning to many on both sides of argument 

I am led to believe there will be some interesting questions coming up in Tynwald for answer by HQ & DA over this whole matter.

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54 minutes ago, Apple said:

Operation Moonshot.

In the UK, they are looking at 500,000 tests a day by the end of October. 

Predicting system of swabs or saliva and can turn round results in 90 or even 20 minutes, millions of test processed every day.

Could be ready by Spring next year and would help to avoid another lockdown.

BMA dubious.

Taken from BBC news.


So, we will have wait for a vaccine and / or a new system of testing, unless something else happens. Can't really see us doing anything drastically different from the UK till then.

His speach reminded me of the David Essex (The Preacher) song from War of the Worlds

 

 

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25 minutes ago, Banker said:

whilst we can argue about when easing should start there should be no argument that IOM should be investing in infrastructure to be able to do similar. 

Our official line seems to have become in the last few months borders open next March. We seem to have no intention of investing into more proactive testing and no intention of even staffing up the coronavirus team so that more proactive checks can be done on those in self isolation so the process still remains largely voluntary. So the official line seems to be - do nothing it’s too much effort to do anything else and we might get criticized. It’s what the IOM public sector has lived by for 30 years now. 

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