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7 minutes ago, Southfork said:

So you’re saying it’s better to assume 100% of returnees have it and lock them up mostly for no reason at all as they won’t be positive than actually test people to see whether they’re at risk? We are most certainly removing peoples freedoms. 

Oh for the love of God, please understand that there is no test that will pick up if you were exposed to the virus at Lancaster train station on the way to the Ben. Testing on day 7 is the only sure way of knowing whether you are likely to be spreading it around, which is why you have to isolate for at least 7 days. I'm getting so frustrated having to explain basic biology of infection to people who seemingly refuse to understand, and demand to get a negative test on arrival so they can go to the pub and get pissed three days after they arrive on the Island. Under the auspices of "freedom". As the saying goes: there's a boat in the morning. You might even get a connection to Jersey or Guernsey, who you clearly think are doing a better job of protecting you. I'm sure they'll welcome you on GuernseyForums or JerseyForums or whatever their equivalent is :blink:

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7 minutes ago, rachomics said:

Oh for the love of God, please understand that there is no test that will pick up if you were exposed to the virus at Lancaster train station on the way to the Ben. Testing on day 7 is the only sure way of knowing whether you are likely to be spreading it around, which is why you have to isolate for at least 7 days. I'm getting so frustrated having to explain basic biology of infection to people who seemingly refuse to understand and demand to get a negative test on arrival so they can go to the pub and get pissed three days after they arrive on the Island. 

So why are Jersey doing it and Guernsey planning to do following

Group B countries:

  • Test on arrival with self-isolation until first test result is known (24 – 48 hours) and then a second test on Day 7 with passive surveillance until Day 14;
  • Passive surveillance is as for Phase 5b.  

Obviously IOM IS risk adverse and others are taking a more balanced view of risks on a country or regions basis.

assume our stance is why Chris Thomas is asking the questions next week

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2 minutes ago, Banker said:

So why are Jersey doing it and Guernsey planning to do following

Group B countries:

  • Test on arrival with self-isolation until first test result is known (24 – 48 hours) and then a second test on Day 7 with passive surveillance until Day 14;
  • Passive surveillance is as for Phase 5b.  

Obviously IOM IS risk adverse and others are taking a more balanced view of risks on a country or regions basis.

One possible explanation is that their politicians don't listen to their experts. 

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Just now, Anyone said:

Thank you. 

Pretty hollow acclaim though

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3 minutes ago, rachomics said:

One possible explanation is that their politicians don't listen to their experts. 

Or that they are and their experts think passive surveillance is sufficient after negative test

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10 minutes ago, rachomics said:

Oh for the love of God, please understand that there is no test that will pick up if you were exposed to the virus at Lancaster train station on the way to the Ben. 

Where did I say that? Jersey is doing 7 day testing that seems more sensible to me. You read my whole reply wrong. Not once was I supporting testing on arrival so your shirty, condescending, and withering remarks were well off target. 

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29 minutes ago, dilligaf said:

Stunned that somebody as ignorant as you actually achieved old age. Well done.

Thank you.

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1 minute ago, Southfork said:

Where did I say that? Jersey is doing 7 day testing that seems more sensible to me. You read my whole reply wrong. Not once was I supporting testing on arrival so your shirty, condescending, and withering remarks were well off target. 

They weren't aimed at you, they were aimed at @Banker

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3 minutes ago, dilligaf said:

Pretty hollow acclaim though

At least I have one. Where you hiding / shielding / cowering

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1 minute ago, rachomics said:

They weren't aimed at you, they were aimed at @Banker

It would maybe make sense to quote the person you are addressing your post to in the reply then not somebody else. Just looking at the BBC tonight. Jerseys testing policy really seems to be creating a bit of a tourist boom as a safe location where you know what you’re getting as a visitor as you’re tested and all is controlled. It seems more proactive to me than just locking people up just in case. 

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2 minutes ago, Southfork said:

Jerseys testing policy really seems to be creating a bit of a tourist boom

Jersey has an existing tourism industry which represents a significant part of their economy.

Apart from the bikes, the IOM doesn't. So, especially heading into winter (just as rainy but colder typically), there would be little point doing anything here with an eye to tourism.

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2 minutes ago, Southfork said:

It would maybe make sense to quote the person you are addressing your post to in the reply then not somebody else. Just looking at the BBC tonight. Jerseys testing policy really seems to be creating a bit of a tourist boom as a safe location where you know what you’re getting as a visitor as you’re tested and all is controlled. It seems more proactive to me than just locking people up just in case. 

Probably why Guernsey are investing so they can adopt similar policy.

i know a number of MHKs are unhappy with policy and probably why Chris Thomas is asking questions next week on behalf of the opposing view

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3 minutes ago, Southfork said:

It would maybe make sense to quote the person you are addressing your post to in the reply then not somebody else. Just looking at the BBC tonight. Jerseys testing policy really seems to be creating a bit of a tourist boom as a safe location where you know what you’re getting as a visitor as you’re tested and all is controlled. It seems more proactive to me than just locking people up just in case. 

They have nicer weather than us and an economy that is more dependent on tourism. 

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4 minutes ago, rachomics said:

They have nicer weather than us and an economy that is more dependent on tourism. 

True , but it’s not only the nice weather that gives them the edge. 

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