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Can you guys start a separate thread titled "Jersey is ace - oh no it isn't" and leave this one to a discussion on IOM and the coronavirus?

...and I so wanted a long illustrious career at the DHSC   I run my own company so my involvement with the DHSC to set up and keep the COVID19 lab running wasn't exactly in the professional caree

I'll put a big disclaimer here that I'm not the person who decides who gets tested and when.  Saying that, I am a scientist who understands that if you test someone on the day they arrive and the

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1 hour ago, Banker said:

More rubbish, you quoted 1000 job losses from testing on arrival and when challenged how you calculated that there was silence!

Jersey have saved & created jobs by testing all arrivals which is probably why Guernsey are planning same thing.

Who challenged me? I never saw it. The answer is simple, and if you had read my posts properly, you would have seen that the only safe way we can go to test on arrival is to also adapt the rest of Jersey's restrictions, which include shutting down clubs, night clubs, cinemas, theatres, swimming pools, many hymns and associated businesses. We would also have to reduce the number of tables in restaurants and pubs. Pubs do table service only which limits the number of punters, all of which reduce staff requirements. A mere thousand is conservative. 

Guernsey will have to do the same thing. 

The only jobs Jersey has saved are a few in the tourism sector, which will go at the end of this month.

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21 minutes ago, Cambon said:

Who challenged me? I never saw it. The answer is simple, and if you had read my posts properly, you would have seen that the only safe way we can go to test on arrival is to also adapt the rest of Jersey's restrictions, which include shutting down clubs, night clubs, cinemas, theatres, swimming pools, many hymns and associated businesses. We would also have to reduce the number of tables in restaurants and pubs. Pubs do table service only which limits the number of punters, all of which reduce staff requirements. A mere thousand is conservative. 

Guernsey will have to do the same thing. 

The only jobs Jersey has saved are a few in the tourism sector, which will go at the end of this month.

More lies , gyms , swimming pools, cinemas all open in Jersey so stop posting rubbish.restaurants etc all very busy plus tourist accommodation .

also their flumes work in pools which is more than we can say!!

Also Guernsey will take no notice of what you say as they have already announced it will be passive surveillance only after negative testing so no impact on restaurants etc so stop the lies and scare stories 

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11 hours ago, Cambon said:

Because Jersey is still in partial lockdown with social distancing and masks, etc. 

Guernsey had better do the same if they copy Jersey. 

You just made that up. I speak with people in Jersey everyday and nobody is in masks and the advisory distance in public is 1 metre which isn’t UK style social distancing at all. At least use facts in amongst your rampant scaremongering and general pant wetting about covid. 

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2 hours ago, slinkydevil said:

I thought this was a reasonably good break down of some statistics regarding Covid

 

Makes a lot of sense - seems well researched too.  Could be confirmation bias on my part.  I actually watched the whole thing which is rare for me.  I'd be keen to see it picked apart by some others on here, particularly @VinnieK, @Roger Mexico, @Chinahand, @rachomics

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19 minutes ago, thesultanofsheight said:

You just made that up. I speak with people in Jersey everyday and nobody is in masks and the advisory distance in public is 1 metre which isn’t UK style social distancing at all. At least use facts in amongst your rampant scaremongering and general pant wetting about covid. 

You really are a most objectionable troll, aren't you. 

Maybe you should shop your mates who are breaking the rules. 

Besides, you still cannot put forward any positive economic reason to move to test on arrival. 

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4 minutes ago, Cambon said:

You really are a most objectionable troll, aren't you. 

Maybe you should shop your mates who are breaking the rules. 

Besides, you still cannot put forward any positive economic reason to move to test on arrival. 

Cambon makes lots of stuff up, see his post above about gyms, pools etc in Jersey!!

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2 hours ago, slinkydevil said:

I thought this was a reasonably good break down of some statistics regarding Covid

 

I just don't understand why the powers that be are unable to process this information and reflect it in the anti-Covid measures.   The tinder concept is very interesting as it not only increases those vulnerable but also skews the year on year comparison of excess deaths. 

Why is this information being ignored or at least officially rebutted?

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18 minutes ago, Gladys said:

I just don't understand why the powers that be are unable to process this information and reflect it in the anti-Covid measures.   The tinder concept is very interesting as it not only increases those vulnerable but also skews the year on year comparison of excess deaths. 

Why is this information being ignored or at least officially rebutted?

Perhaps it does not fit their agenda!

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1 hour ago, Cambon said:

You really are a most objectionable troll, aren't you. 

Maybe you should shop your mates who are breaking the rules. 

Besides, you still cannot put forward any positive economic reason to move to test on arrival. 

Firstly I’m not trolling clearly. You really don’t like the total bollocks you post on here being challenged when it’s wrong do you? I have not mentioned testing on arrival either - not once in any post I’ve made on this forum so please stop talking bollocks and making things up. I speak with people from Jersey on a daily basis and what you said was plain wrong. There is no reason not to allow greater border mobility with a Jersey-style testing system other than what seems to be the only covid policies of IOMG which are 1. To trap as many people here for as long as they can possibly get away with so they can only spend money here, and 2. To spend as little money as possible on testing so that hardly anyone genuinely at risk gets tested and then they can claim the IOM is covid free in order to flog a load of overpriced houses to petrified idiots. Very little that we seem to be doing is actually risk based in relation to Covid-19.

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2 minutes ago, Beelzebub3 said:

Perhaps it does not fit their agenda!

Well, I am not sure what their agenda is, other than crippling the global economy and the collateral damage to individual freedoms and health. 

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21 minutes ago, Gladys said:

I just don't understand why the powers that be are unable to process this information and reflect it in the anti-Covid measures.   The tinder concept is very interesting as it not only increases those vulnerable but also skews the year on year comparison of excess deaths. 

Why is this information being ignored or at least officially rebutted?

I think everyone is scared to break ranks, except the Swedes who just got on with it from the start and were widely pilloried for doing so little lockdown wise.  Their chief epidemiologist said at the start that he thought they'd all end up the same, and judging by deaths per capita he's not far off.  I certainly think nobody should be worried about returning university students - in my view it's ideal that thousands of 18-21 year olds get covid with almost no ill effects over the next month or two and increase the overall herd immunity.

The 'dry tinder' metaphor may be very apt here once our borders open.  

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16 minutes ago, wrighty said:

I think everyone is scared to break ranks, except the Swedes who just got on with it from the start and were widely pilloried for doing so little lockdown wise.  Their chief epidemiologist said at the start that he thought they'd all end up the same, and judging by deaths per capita he's not far off.  I certainly think nobody should be worried about returning university students - in my view it's ideal that thousands of 18-21 year olds get covid with almost no ill effects over the next month or two and increase the overall herd immunity.

The 'dry tinder' metaphor may be very apt here once our borders open.  

I fully agree here - the politicians and the ‘experts’ have done far too good a job spreading mass hysteria and they’ve created a huge load of economic and social problems which are likely to be bigger political issues for them moving forward. They aren’t going to come out and admit that. The stats seem to be simply showing a higher number of positive PCR tests on the back of higher testing levels with no real impact on hospital resources or fatalities as yet. Wasn’t this just all about saving NHS resources at the start before the complete Covid lunacy took hold? Longer term herd immunity has to be the only viable solution as vaccines aren’t going to fix anything and the way the IOM has been sealed off sadly none of us is going to have any exposure for herd immunity purposes either. 

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