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11 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said:

It does from the front page link 

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Strange, but when I follow your link I get a different story.

But then the Wail isn’t noted for accuracy or truthfulness in its reporting. Or is it a click bait thumbnail to attract frothing at the mouth bufton-tufton types from Tonbridge?

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34 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said:

The newspaper even had homeless in the title.

Though it was fairly obvious early on in the article that they weren't actually homeless and the term was being used in the usual melodramatic DM style...

34 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said:

...creating this dangerous two-tier society where vaccinated people are basically treated like modern day lepers is divisive and dangerous. 

You must mean 'unvaccinated'.

A lot of people believe that the unvaccinated are themselves a danger to society and see it as a poor and wholly selfish choice. Who is actually creating division, who is right?

The safety of the lad with leukemia, the most important subject in the matter after all, his treatment won't be affected. He is immunocompromised and thus extremely vulnerable, possibly more-so by the meds he'll be taking. It's a no-brainer. There are other parents using that facility and the welfare of their sick children to consider here also.

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As JW explains more clearly.
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From the article: "Ferguson launches into an argument that even that even those people who have been vaccinated can still contract and transmit COVID."

 It would seem he refuses to accept that while vaccinated people can and do get infected and transmit the virus, the are much less likely to do so. 

It does my head in. 

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29 minutes ago, Zarley said:

From the article: "Ferguson launches into an argument that even that even those people who have been vaccinated can still contract and transmit COVID."

 It would seem he refuses to accept that while vaccinated people can and do get infected and transmit the virus, the are much less likely to do so. 

It does my head in. 

I thought this point was universally accepted now. It does my head in too.

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2 hours ago, John Wright said:

Strange, but when I follow your link I get a different story.

But then the Wail isn’t noted for accuracy or truthfulness in its reporting. Or is it a click bait thumbnail to attract frothing at the mouth bufton-tufton types from Tonbridge?

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Tonbridge??? Whatever next?

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The Daily Mail does not dwell on truth or accuracy in fact in the last twelve months it has sunk lower and lower in the gutter I don’t know if there was a change of ownership or new editor.   I read the headlines online and it now is stretching the truth calling itself a newspaper all you get is fiction mostly about people who are unknown to most people.

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2 hours ago, Zarley said:

 It would seem he refuses to accept that while vaccinated people can and do get infected and transmit the virus, the are much less likely to do so. 

And that's the core problem, not just with anti-vaxxers but with a lot of discussion around Covid - and around practically everything else.  A lot of people insist on seeing everything in all-or-nothing terms.  If a vaccine doesn't provide 100% guaranteed protection, then it's no use or positively dangerous.  You see the same magical thinking in a lot of vaccine-mandators as well, that it's some sort of magic talisman that means they are invulnerable.

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4 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said:

 If we’ve reached herd immunity then the only people the unvaccinated are a danger to is themselves. 

I don't think we will ever reach "herd immunity"  in respect of Covid 19 as immunity from the vaccine and/or having it previously appears relatively short lived. I know kids now who have tested positive in the last week having also had it last September or October.  At best the vaccine or having had previously may reduce the catches of catching it or passing on and also reduce the symptoms but they appear to provide little full immunity.

On that basis it is unlikely the vaccine or having had previously provides any long term immunity then we are left with no option but to start treating as we would flu or a cold. Steps up to this point I have supported as I could understand the aim even if I might not have agreed with. But if there is no no real level of immunity then very shortly I think virtually all restrictions will need lifting.

I would though continue to vaccinate and encourage that people get vaccinated. I would not make it compulsory or make those who refuse to take it pay for any future treatment but I would not be adverse to measures whereby there was some sort of advantage if you take.  My workplace has a policy that if you are off ill with Covid you will  not get sick pay if you have chosen not to be vaccinated. Obviously there are exceptions for medical reasons. 

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52 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said:

Believe … without having any actual evidence to support that view. If we’ve reached herd immunity then the only people the unvaccinated are a danger to is themselves. 

I don't agree with you. Unvaccinated people are likely to infected more so and for longer. 

Yes they are more a danger to themselves and can actually benefit those of use who have good immune systems by giving us a little reminder and keeping our immune systems topped up.

However there are still many people who are extremely vulnerable. Even when they are vaccinated. The Unvaccinated are a danger to these people as well as themselves. 

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On 1/4/2022 at 11:26 PM, Barlow said:
On 1/4/2022 at 11:21 PM, Shake me up Judy said:

Anyone who thinks that you can make masks mandatory in schools hasn't been to school in a very long time.

Just put the word out that if you catch Covid as a teenager, then long Covid makes you go baldie bastard by the time you are 25, failing that it gives you loadsa plukes

This should do the trick:

Mail online

Man claims he has lost 1.5 inches from length of his penis after COVID caused him severe vascular damage - and doctors have told him it's irreversible

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