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4 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Just quoting my personal experience.

If that’s your experience of having flu, I hope for your sake you don’t get Covid.

 

 

I think it’s pretty widely accepted that a proper dose of flu is worse for most people than a dose of COVID isn’t it?  Especially the later milder variants.

Were you diagnosed with flu or did you just assume?  

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4 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

Fairly typically the decision by Manx Care comes exactly at the wrong time.  But apparently "it's made the move following the latest guidance from the United Kingdom Health Security Agency" so it must be OK if our colonial masters think it's good enough for them.  We appear to have learnt absolutely nothing over the last two and a half years.

The reason that we should be cautious isn't just because of TT which was always going to be a superspreader event, but because there are new variants in town: BA.4 and BA.5 and BA.2.12.1.  All are sub-variants of Omicron, but are different enough to re-infect those who have already had it - though prior Omicron infection doesn't seem great at providing extra protection anyway .  And unlike earlier versions they may go to the lungs rather than further up the respiratory system.  So it's possible that they may put more people in hospital or keep them there longer.

Now it's still early days and it may be that the new variants don't spread that fast due to good vaccination and prior infection.  Over-70s and the vulnerable will have had extra protection from the spring booster.  And the new variants may simply peter out as some previous variants have done.  There's a slight uptick in the numbers in hospital in England, though it's still well below the number we saw in January and April.  But we should still be cautious and should consider moving the Autumn vaccination programme forward and extending it to more of the population.  And we should be doing more to persuade those who are un- or under-vaccinated.

Please stop.

 

 

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33 minutes ago, Youaintseenme said:

I think it’s pretty widely accepted that a proper dose of flu is worse for most people than a dose of COVID isn’t it?  Especially the later milder variants.

Were you diagnosed with flu or did you just assume?  

Well I think over the course of say five decades, you can self diagnose flu.

Fortunately over that time I have rarely had the symptoms of flu but the symptoms are widely recognized. So yes I guess I “just assumed” I had the flu. Like you know you have a twisted ankle, fungal toe infection or a headache. You don’t need to be officially diagnosed by a medical practitioner to know you have them.

Re Covid, the symptoms were much much worse than the flu. I would disagree and say it’s not widely accepted that those who have a dose of Covid is worse for them than a proper dose ( whatever that is)of the flu.

Not sure where your (widely accepted) source for this comes from

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Mrs Cheese is six days Covid+ , and to all intense and purposes has a cold. We have several friends and acquaintances who are currently positive also. None of them are ‘flat on their back’ The latest versions of covid don’t seem to be going to the lungs as badly, that’s helping a lot I imagine. 

strangely, I’ve not got it (yet). I mean, our tonsil hockey days are over, but we still share a bed. Would have expected to have been ill  with it by now. Not complaining though. 

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9 minutes ago, cheesypeas said:

Mrs Cheese is six days Covid+ , and to all intense and purposes has a cold. We have several friends and acquaintances who are currently positive also. None of them are ‘flat on their back’ The latest versions of covid don’t seem to be going to the lungs as badly, that’s helping a lot I imagine. 

strangely, I’ve not got it (yet). I mean, our tonsil hockey days are over, but we still share a bed. Would have expected to have been ill  with it by now. Not complaining though. 

Glad Mrs Cheese has not suffered the worst effects of Covid.

I too know people who have got it and all suffer to varying degrees.

But as one who normally does not catch the common cold or flu ( or if I do suffer minimal effects) Covid has really caused me a great deal of discomfort. Perhaps suffering is a better word. 
 

I used to be of the opinion that it can’t be that  bad. But my own experience is that  in can be. A rude awakening 
 

 

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I don’t know anyone I know who has had Covid. But I don’t go about hugging people and I avoid children and old people. Seems to have worked so far. But I guess I’ll get the bullet sometime. After all there is always one bullet with your name on it. But really people this is an issue but not a big deal anymore. Let it lie world.

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32 minutes ago, Anyone said:

I don’t know anyone I know who has had Covid. But I don’t go about hugging people and I avoid children and old people. Seems to have worked so far. But I guess I’ll get the bullet sometime. After all there is always one bullet with your name on it. But really people this is an issue but not a big deal anymore. Let it lie world.

Of course it is lots of people who get Covid will have health issues later in life and will die younger than they should have, that is not even taking into account those that have Long Covid, wake up it and do research

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5 minutes ago, alpha-acid said:

Of course it is lots of people who get Covid will have health issues later in life and will die younger than they should have, that is not even taking into account those that have Long Covid, wake up it and do research

What a load of absolute shite.

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4 hours ago, Youaintseenme said:

I think it’s pretty widely accepted that a proper dose of flu is worse for most people than a dose of COVID isn’t it?  Especially the later milder variants.

Just because it's widely accepted, it doesn't mean it's true.  Obviously what a 'proper' dose of flu is, what a 'proper' dose of Covid is and how they are comparable are all very subjective anyway. By definition a dose of flu that puts you in hospital is worse than a mild sniffle from Covid, but the other way round is true as well.

What people seem to be getting mixed up with is an assessment that Covid was now less deadly than flu in England at some point in March this year.  Though it was only very slightly less deadly (0.9) and only for a very short time and the two were not really comparable because what was being compared was a weekly calculated figure for Covid with a seasonal/yearly average for flu calculated over several years and making certain assumptions about the prevalence of flu.  So it was pretty meaningless as the 'seasonal' rate for Covid would have still been much higher.

I think the point that the article is trying to make is that vaccination for Covid had reduced the risk of death from Covid[1] to about that of seasonal flu - it really wasn't true as above, but even if it was it's just showing the effectiveness of the vaccination at that particular time.  Without vaccines Covid would be many many times more deadly.  But we also know that the effectiveness of such vaccination diminishes, so there is no guarantee that that situation will continue.

As if to illustrate that the March article says:

Is Omicron the same as flu? No. But the vaccines have made the risks to the individual very similar,” said Dr Raghib Ali, senior clinical research associate in epidemiology at Cambridge university, who added that this made a “large spike” in hospital admissions or deaths “unlikely” while Omicron remained the dominant strain.

Which was then followed by a spike in hospital admissions and deaths in April; image.thumb.png.541dc51cb41d5c2873ff765b8b9ede69.png

Nothing like the horrors of January 2021 but still significant

 

[1]  This is the IFR, the infection fatality rate - that is the likelihood of someone dying if they get infected with a particular disease.  Obviously even if the IFR for Covid was a bit lower than for flu, if a lot more people catch Covid than flu, more people will still die of Covid than of flu.

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1 hour ago, Roger Mexico said:

Just because it's widely accepted, it doesn't mean it's true.  Obviously what a 'proper' dose of flu is, what a 'proper' dose of Covid is and how they are comparable are all very subjective anyway. By definition a dose of flu that puts you in hospital is worse than a mild sniffle from Covid, but the other way round is true as well.

What people seem to be getting mixed up with is an assessment that Covid was now less deadly than flu in England at some point in March this year.  Though it was only very slightly less deadly (0.9) and only for a very short time and the two were not really comparable because what was being compared was a weekly calculated figure for Covid with a seasonal/yearly average for flu calculated over several years and making certain assumptions about the prevalence of flu.  So it was pretty meaningless as the 'seasonal' rate for Covid would have still been much higher.

I think the point that the article is trying to make is that vaccination for Covid had reduced the risk of death from Covid[1] to about that of seasonal flu - it really wasn't true as above, but even if it was it's just showing the effectiveness of the vaccination at that particular time.  Without vaccines Covid would be many many times more deadly.  But we also know that the effectiveness of such vaccination diminishes, so there is no guarantee that that situation will continue.

As if to illustrate that the March article says:

Is Omicron the same as flu? No. But the vaccines have made the risks to the individual very similar,” said Dr Raghib Ali, senior clinical research associate in epidemiology at Cambridge university, who added that this made a “large spike” in hospital admissions or deaths “unlikely” while Omicron remained the dominant strain.

Which was then followed by a spike in hospital admissions and deaths in April; image.thumb.png.541dc51cb41d5c2873ff765b8b9ede69.png

Nothing like the horrors of January 2021 but still significant

 

[1]  This is the IFR, the infection fatality rate - that is the likelihood of someone dying if they get infected with a particular disease.  Obviously even if the IFR for Covid was a bit lower than for flu, if a lot more people catch Covid than flu, more people will still die of Covid than of flu.

My point was a poster was saying that he had had COVID and basically felt rough for a few days then comparing that to having had “flu” in the past and stating COVID was worse.

I would suggest that if his vaccinated version of COVID that as far as I can tell didn’t even warrant medical attention was in his eyes worse than Flu, then he has never really had flu, and is in fact coasting COVID to a cold.

Its not unusual as flu has historically been the self diagnosis  of choice for people who just feel a bit crap with a bad cold.

I am posting at silly o clock in the morning because I have been up most of the night feeling a bit rough.

LFT says it’s COViD.  Hurrah, it’s everywhere as was widely predicted so time will tell if the hospital sees an increase in admissions needing actual COVID treatment.  I guess it won’t as it seems very mild in everyone I know who has contracted it over TT.  Mostly people seem to be still working but mentioning in their emails that they are stuck at home due to employer policy rather than actually being too I’ll to work.

I am one of them and could happily be in the office but instead am hoping for the predicted warm and sunny weather so I can work from the garden and various picnic benches around the island

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1 hour ago, Youaintseenme said:

am one of them and could happily be in the office but instead am hoping for the predicted warm and sunny weather so I can work from the garden and various picnic benches around the island

What are you a teacher or bus driver?

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1 hour ago, Youaintseenme said:

My point was a poster was saying that he had had COVID and basically felt rough for a few days then comparing that to having had “flu” in the past and stating COVID was worse.

I would suggest that if his vaccinated version of COVID that as far as I can tell didn’t even warrant medical attention was in his eyes worse than Flu, then he has never really had flu, and is in fact coasting COVID to a cold.

Its not unusual as flu has historically been the self diagnosis  of choice for people who just feel a bit crap with a bad cold.

I am posting at silly o clock in the morning because I have been up most of the night feeling a bit rough.

LFT says it’s COViD.  Hurrah, it’s everywhere as was widely predicted so time will tell if the hospital sees an increase in admissions needing actual COVID treatment.  I guess it won’t as it seems very mild in everyone I know who has contracted it over TT.  Mostly people seem to be still working but mentioning in their emails that they are stuck at home due to employer policy rather than actually being too I’ll to work.

I am one of them and could happily be in the office but instead am hoping for the predicted warm and sunny weather so I can work from the garden and various picnic benches around the island

Yeah he definitely hasn’t had flu. I was the same previously, put really heavy colds down to flu, it wasn’t till I actually got it (and was diagnosed with it) that I realised the difference. Bed ridden for a week and felt like crap for a month, Covid was a walk in the park compared to it (obviously vaccinations helped).

 

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