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2 hours ago, Cambon said:

So, basically you cannot. Because although allowing a few thousand tourists in would definitely benefit a few hotels, allowing 85,000 people to leave the island and spend would be far worse economically. Sultan may call it entrapment. It is not. It is keeping islanders safe.

For what must now be the hundredth time. Not one poster in this thread who seems to be supporting more border flexibility has mentioned it’s to support tourism. It’s only you who continually does that when backed into a corner you can’t get out of. It is also bordering on entrapment. If it was on health grounds we’d be policing self isolators very rigidly and testing more returnees which we aren’t. It’s just creating a hassle factor to keep people trapped here spending. I disagree with Banker in blaming HQ for this as I doubt it’s a strategy he devised or massively supports from some of the public statements he’s made. But the faceless masses in government have clearly decided on this as being the cheapest easiest solution rather than being arsed doing anything more robust. After all we couldn’t have any open and discernible data disrupting the carefully placed thought in peoples heads that we are covid free and that all we have to do is close down for another 5 years to keep it up. Reported cases are going to continue to rise purely because of more testing (even if people have to pay £50). Exactly like reported cases are spiking in the UK - because more people are being tested. 

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Can you guys start a separate thread titled "Jersey is ace - oh no it isn't" and leave this one to a discussion on IOM and the coronavirus?

...and I so wanted a long illustrious career at the DHSC   I run my own company so my involvement with the DHSC to set up and keep the COVID19 lab running wasn't exactly in the professional caree

I'll put a big disclaimer here that I'm not the person who decides who gets tested and when.  Saying that, I am a scientist who understands that if you test someone on the day they arrive and the

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51 minutes ago, thesultanofsheight said:

For what must now be the hundredth time. Not one poster in this thread who seems to be supporting more border flexibility has mentioned it’s to support tourism. It’s only you who continually does that when backed into a corner you can’t get out of. It is also bordering on entrapment. If it was on health grounds we’d be policing self isolators very rigidly and testing more returnees which we aren’t. It’s just creating a hassle factor to keep people trapped here spending. I disagree with Banker in blaming HQ for this as I doubt it’s a strategy he devised or massively supports from some of the public statements he’s made. But the faceless masses in government have clearly decided on this as being the cheapest easiest solution rather than being arsed doing anything more robust. After all we couldn’t have any open and discernible data disrupting the carefully placed thought in peoples heads that we are covid free and that all we have to do is close down for another 5 years to keep it up. Reported cases are going to continue to rise purely because of more testing (even if people have to pay £50). Exactly like reported cases are spiking in the UK - because more people are being tested. 

I'm sure even Mr Quayle realises that with infections rising in the UK and winter on the way now is not the time to make changes.

If it ain't broke...

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6 hours ago, P.K. said:

I'm sure even Mr Quayle realises that with infections rising in the UK and winter on the way now is not the time to make changes.

If it ain't broke...

“Infections rising” and “identified infections rising due to increased testing” are two very different things!

With only the details reported to go on it sounds very much like we have three examples of the latter recently.  People who, without the additional testing in place, would have returned to the island, isolated for 14 days and then gone about their business without ever showing as an infection or case and almost certainly after 14 days not passed it to anyone else.

The same is happening in the UK.  Extra testing is identifying people who didn’t even know they had it.  They are then being contact traced and surprise surprise more people are found who didn’t know they had it.

There are no useful statistics that can show a rise or drop in cases as the testing isn’t consistent.  The only useful figures are hospital admissions and deaths and even they aren’t a true reflection of how prevalent the virus is due to the way they are recorded and advances in treatment.

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50 minutes ago, thesultanofsheight said:

What exactly were they being complacent about on the basis that absolutely no rules apply if any kind on a day to day basis? 

I suppose the complacency is not applying measures such as hand washing and coughing and sneezing into a tissue which are not rules just guidance on good hygiene.  

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27 minutes ago, Gladys said:

I suppose the complacency is not applying measures such as hand washing and coughing and sneezing into a tissue which are not rules just guidance on good hygiene.  

You mean good upbringing & education ;0)

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2 hours ago, trmpton said:

“Infections rising” and “identified infections rising due to increased testing” are two very different things!

With only the details reported to go on it sounds very much like we have three examples of the latter recently.  People who, without the additional testing in place, would have returned to the island, isolated for 14 days and then gone about their business without ever showing as an infection or case and almost certainly after 14 days not passed it to anyone else.

The same is happening in the UK.  Extra testing is identifying people who didn’t even know they had it.  They are then being contact traced and surprise surprise more people are found who didn’t know they had it.

There are no useful statistics that can show a rise or drop in cases as the testing isn’t consistent.  The only useful figures are hospital admissions and deaths and even they aren’t a true reflection of how prevalent the virus is due to the way they are recorded and advances in treatment.

You make an interesting point, in normal times, with no testing, so therefore no visibility regarding positive tests, would UK authorities even notice the virus at all with minimal deaths and hospitalisation. Granted it may accelerate dramatically over the next few months, conversely it may not. Interesting, albeit frustrating times.

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2 minutes ago, Out of the blue said:

You make an interesting point, in normal times, with no testing, so therefore no visibility regarding positive tests, would UK authorities even notice the virus at all with minimal deaths and hospitalisation. Granted it may accelerate dramatically over the next few months, conversely it may not. Interesting, albeit frustrating times.

And when the flu virus kills more than Covid over winter what will reaction be?

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6 minutes ago, Banker said:

Looks like Guernsey extending support for some businesses until new year but when next phase of restrictions easing starts they expect economy to pick up in some areas. Good to see a decent plan.

https://guernseypress.com/news/2020/09/15/states-extends-help-for-firms-struggling-to-cope-with-covid/

Interesting.

Implication there that testing on arrival (stage 5C) within a three month timeframe.

They must be gearing up with their infrastructure & staffing to cope.

I'm sure our Government is all over this too (said nobody ever).

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2 hours ago, trmpton said:

The same is happening in the UK.  Extra testing is identifying people who didn’t even know they had it.  They are then being contact traced and surprise surprise more people are found who didn’t know they had it.

The UK is not doing random testing so they are not identifying people who didn't know they had it.

For once the instructions are clear. Only go for a test if you think you are showing symptoms.

I'm getting sick to death of the whole "Track, Trace, Isolate" farrago. It's certainly not "world beating" by any stretch. Just more of Bozo's idiotic optimism.

It's also NOT the "NHS track...." etc etc. It's nothing to do with the NHS! Bozo et al labelled it like that in an attempt to deflect public criticism from it's manifest failings.

It's actually "outsourced" to Serco the Chairman of which, Sir Roy Gardner, is a tory donor.

What an amazing coincidence not....

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