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2 minutes ago, P.K. said:

Track, Trace and Isolate were supposed to REPLACE the lockdown.

That's the bit that, luckily for Dido Bozo and Doormatt, has been largely forgotten.

Clever move to call it the "NHS" Track Trace and Isolate system because Bozo can then accuse that nice Keir Starmer of bashing the much-loved NHS when he points out what a complete and utter shambles it is. Yes it's shit but it's enough to fool the mis-informed hard of thinking....

It's mostly Serco whose chairman is a well known tory donor.

Well fancy that....

No, track and trace was ABANDONED in March when Prof Newton said the only option was lock down. The 'transformed' test system was to replace lock down. 

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Can you guys start a separate thread titled "Jersey is ace - oh no it isn't" and leave this one to a discussion on IOM and the coronavirus?

...and I so wanted a long illustrious career at the DHSC   I run my own company so my involvement with the DHSC to set up and keep the COVID19 lab running wasn't exactly in the professional caree

I'll put a big disclaimer here that I'm not the person who decides who gets tested and when.  Saying that, I am a scientist who understands that if you test someone on the day they arrive and the

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4 minutes ago, Gladys said:

No, track and trace was ABANDONED in March when Prof Newton said the only option was lock down. The 'transformed' test system was to replace lock down. 

I know.

The point I'm making is that the UK came out of lockdown WITHOUT a viable Track Trace and Isolate system to replace it with. And we still haven't got one. And cases are rising.

Starmer took Bozo to task over this at PMQ's and Bozo's answers were, at best, incoherent.

Making it obvious that Bozo knows it's a pile of poo....

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1 minute ago, P.K. said:

I know.

The point I'm making is that the UK came out of lockdown WITHOUT a viable Track Trace and Isolate system to replace it with. And we still haven't got one. And cases are rising.

Starmer took Bozo to task over this at PMQ's and Bozo's answers were, at best, incoherent.

Making it obvious that Bozo knows it's a pile of poo....

And the point I am making is that the experts (Imperial College IIRC) were predicting a million cases in March and, in view of the enormity, lock down was advised.  Resources were focused on fighting the disease, hence the Nightingale Hospitals and the largest reportedly had no more than 34 cases at any one time. 

So, when you are faced with the huge economic impact of lock down, even if you have an imperfect track and trace system it would seem to be Hobson's choice. That, in my view, is the stark reality.  The mixed messages have not helped, but you know really, there are some intractable issues all of which have implications.  The only real pathway is to find, not choose because we are not dealing with a thing of logic, the least egregious option, and that will change as matters develop. 

Without wanting to put matters in a personal footing, but going back to my vested interest comment, I am assuming you are now retired and receiving a pension or pensions.  Most likely, an occupational pension, possibly a private pension and the state pension.  If the economy really tanks, what do you think will happen to them?  So, like all of us,  you have very much a vested interest on a number of levels including health, directly and indirectly connected to CV, and economically.   It is not a matter of left or right, or Bozo and the Grauniad, but what will have the most benefit for the least cost. 

 

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7 hours ago, wrighty said:

There is a balance to be struck here. I’m not sure where it is, but it’s certainly not at either end of the debate. My son returned to uni at the weekend - I was more concerned about him driving along the M62 than for him catching covid. We need a better understanding of risk, and it needs to be more sophisticated than ‘1 death = murder by government’ vs ‘ government lockdowns kill the economy’

I agree , never seen so many trucks & speeding cars on motorway . In Liverpool centre and never seen it so quiet, John Lewis had hardly anyone in store so keeping distance not a problem. 

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8 hours ago, Neil Down said:

Do you really believe that

Yes, and I'll explain why.

To come in you need to be a Manx resident, you need to be essential to the island (health, economy, etc), you need to have a job offer or you need compassionate grounds. So you either need to be/have these things, or you need to be prepared to lie about it.

Now of the liars some will be caught and some won't. But most people will abide by the rules and take no for an answer.

As for self-isolation, any community isolation is taken on trust, it has to be. You can't check 24/7. Some people will break the trust and get away with it, some will be caught- or have neighbours tell on them- but most won't break that trust.

So yes, it is mostly closed to most people.

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23 minutes ago, tetchtyke said:

Yes, and I'll explain why.

To come in you need to be a Manx resident, you need to be essential to the island (health, economy, etc), you need to have a job offer or you need compassionate grounds. So you either need to be/have these things, or you need to be prepared to lie about it.

And the 3,000 Guernsey tourists .. never mind it’s nice to feel “safe” isn’t it via believing in false measures. Just wait until the students come back at Xmas. You can go into a right meltdown about that. 

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2 hours ago, Banker said:

I agree , never seen so many trucks & speeding cars on motorway . In Liverpool centre and never seen it so quiet, John Lewis had hardly anyone in store so keeping distance not a problem. 

So you are not even on the Island then...

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23 minutes ago, Neil Down said:

So you are not even on the Island then...

Not at the moment if that’s ok with you!

came on boat Tuesday to visit immediate  family not seen since March, thought we’d get over for a week before any more restrictions 

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9 hours ago, Rhumsaa said:

isn't that the way of the world these days, every big issues eventually boils down left vs right in an extremely adversarial and polarising stand off?

I mean the one thing that could have brought everyone together is a worldwide pandemic and yet its actually just furthered the divide

Spot on, a lot of people probably do instinctively lean one way or another, but before social media and the sensationalism of 24hr rolling news, people were guided to a more moderate centre ground, if only on a pragmatic, logical level.  Latterly we quickly become aggressive and tribal which is not a healthy environment as moderation becomes drowned out by the extreme noise. Look at the division caused by Trump, Boris, Corbyn, Brexit, Covid etc. We quickly assume entrenched positions that we seemingly cannot be moved from, although not for want of trying, as both ‘sides’ will keep banging on zealously with arguments about why they are right. I suspect the majority of FB, MF and other social media posters have hardly ever been ‘persuaded’ to markedly change their views, so people keep posting, getting more frustrated and irritated and in some cases more extreme.

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1 hour ago, thesultanofsheight said:

And the 3,000 Guernsey tourists .. never mind it’s nice to feel “safe” isn’t it via believing in false measures. Just wait until the students come back at Xmas. You can go into a right meltdown about that. 

The students are already coming back, turns out that getting pissed in Outback is more appealing than being sent home at 10pm.

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