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Can you guys start a separate thread titled "Jersey is ace - oh no it isn't" and leave this one to a discussion on IOM and the coronavirus?

...and I so wanted a long illustrious career at the DHSC   I run my own company so my involvement with the DHSC to set up and keep the COVID19 lab running wasn't exactly in the professional caree

I'll put a big disclaimer here that I'm not the person who decides who gets tested and when.  Saying that, I am a scientist who understands that if you test someone on the day they arrive and the

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The way Covid is going, across, they are now well over the rate of infection that should be sending us back into full closure.

The other worry is that having sent a load of students to universities, what did they all do? Have freshers' parties of course. Tantamount to having Covid parties - and they're all getting/spreading infection.

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2 hours ago, wrighty said:

A resurgence in the Open University perhaps?  In my experience (been to traditional uni and done an OU degree, and recently/currently with children across at uni) the teaching aspects of the OU degree are far better than traditional universities who focus much on research (The former polys may be better at teaching).  What you don't get at the OU is the social side and life experience.  If all that has been killed off by covid, at least for a bit, an OU degree from home for £5000 annual fees (last time I looked) seems much more attractive than £9250 fees across, plus rent, plus travel, plus higher living expenses...

Open University fees are £6192 per year for full-timers now (ie to do the course in three years).  I think the government has been forcing the fees up for many years so as to prevent students taking it as the cheap option.  So on fees you'd only save about a third.  Though as you say they have decades of experience in distance learning and student support that others don't.

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9 minutes ago, monasqueen said:

The way Covid is going, across, they are now well over the rate of infection that should be sending us back into full closure.

The other worry is that having sent a load of students to universities, what did they all do? Have freshers' parties of course. Tantamount to having Covid parties - and they're all getting/spreading infection.

Well we’ve guaranteed that students can return if they wish, also a level 3a by Xmas but no details, probably to allow teachers, health workers to be able to travel back

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35 minutes ago, Banker said:

See 2 of recent 4 cases were key workers from UK 

Hardly a surprise there. Only our government would assume CV doesn't attach itself to our "key workers"

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3 minutes ago, Neil Down said:

Hardly a surprise there. Only our government would assume CV doesn't attach itself to our "key workers"

No changes to that policy though , however I’m not sure what it is for key workers. Is it you can come & work without any quarantine period but not socialize but just stay in hotel rooms?

if so it seems more of a risk than just testing everyone 

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9 minutes ago, Banker said:

Well we’ve guaranteed that students can return if they wish, also a level 3a by Xmas but no details, probably to allow teachers, health workers to be able to travel back

Not quite:

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24/09/2020 16:18

Turning to journalist's questions.

 Manx Radio

On the upcoming holiday season, the chief minister hopes to move to level 3A by Christmas, should the UK situation allow it.

(my bold).  It will be difficult to justify such a move if the level of Covid-19 is higher by then than it was say in August.  Not for the first time I think you're letting your hopes run away with you.

The idea about encouraging students to come back is sensible, but I'm slightly worried about the rather lackadaisical approach to household isolation.  While not following the "isolate everyone on symptoms" approach is sensible (like so much UK policy it's more about blaming the public than best practice) I can't help feeling that assuming returning students can isolate within a household assumes that everyone lives in big houses in the country.

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3 minutes ago, Banker said:

No changes to that policy though , however I’m not sure what it is for key workers. Is it you can come & work without any quarantine period but not socialize but just stay in hotel rooms?

I think it probably varies between workers or groups of workers, but that seems to be the general idea.  There are also restrictions regarding how people work as well.  The details in each case will be what is important and how closely they are monitored.

It probably isn't "more of a risk than just testing everyone"  because there actually aren't that many keyworkers at any time -  a lot of the permits are for transport workers or for staff members who might visit only occasionally without coming into immediate contact with locals.  Though the way that two have now tested positive (presumably after showing symptoms) hints at how high prevalence is. 

On the other hand if you rely on testing of a lot of people, because tests aren't going to pick up everyone infected and because there's a lot of people getting tested, the chances of someone getting through are quite high.

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25 minutes ago, Rhumsaa said:

http://www.iomtoday.co.im/article.cfm?id=57994&headline=Jail for breaking isolation rules&sectionIs=NEWS&searchyear=2020

4 weeks for getting petrol on the way home from the boat - there must be more to this case than that surely?

"You can drive home but you will not be able to stop anywhere"  https://covid19.gov.im/general-information/isle-of-man-resident-registration/

Seems reasonably clear to me.

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“police called at her home she was said to have pulled away from officers and swore.”

May have something to do with it. Although given the responsibilities placed on people returning from the UK, it wouldn’t have been the smartest move to go into a shop no matter the circumstances.

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16 minutes ago, The Old Git said:

 

Why would you tell someone in a shop you’d just come off the boat?

That's definitely the most foolish aspect

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13 minutes ago, Rhumsaa said:

That's definitely the most foolish aspect

She might have well said "Hi, I'm just breaking the quarantine rules, even though I know prison is the most likely outcome" to the shop staff

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