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Another aspect to consider is the psychology of the masses.  The more measures introduced by government, the more the general populace look to government to do something.  It is infantilism, people abrogating responsibility for themselves  and handing over that responsibility to government.  So government has to respond, introducing more measures, and more and more becoming the parent. 

Some may call it a duty of care, but in reality that is quite a restricted concept to take reasonable care of those who may be affected by your actions or inactions.  It does not mean that government, particularly,  has to take over the responsibility of individuals as a quasi parent.

But that is what is happening now, and with each added measure, the greater the expectation of parental protection.  

In the dark ages, people looked to God for protection.  However  just as God wasn't particularly good at protecting people, neither are elected politicians.  

 

 

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Can you guys start a separate thread titled "Jersey is ace - oh no it isn't" and leave this one to a discussion on IOM and the coronavirus?

It's a safe place right now because of the Manx people, not the Manx politicians. None of us want to be "the person who brought it back" so we isolate and make sure we don't transmit the virus by bein

Ratio of admissions to deaths is not that different, testing is obviously out due to the massive capacity increase like just about everywhere in the world.    The current UK situation is impact

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3 minutes ago, Albert Tatlock said:

Only a matter of time till a couple of idiots get us locked down for 2 weeks end of November.

Need to tie these people down.

And that will entirely be as a result of measures taken by government against covid rather than the virus itself. 

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6 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

Howard will be hoping for his knighthood in the new years list.

He will be hoping ashie nominates him if he becomes CM , if it’s Alf he will get fuck all!

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18 minutes ago, Banker said:

Couldn’t have described it better. Saint David will be a shoo in at the 2021 Election to the HOK, and no doubt now, with a ringing endorsement from HRH The Chief Minister, a possible shoo in for the role of Chief Minister. Apparently the citation for the award of MBE says David Ashford was praised for his strong leadership of the DHSC. I thought the health service was originally fcuked up by previous Health Ministers which included HRH The Chief Minister and their Civil Servants. David Ashford hasn’t saved it ............. yet, we don’t know how Manx Care is going to play out. I would also say surely more medical staff from Nobles could have rewarded?

Finally I would add that honour awards to politicos, should be made after they have retired.

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19 minutes ago, 2112 said:

Couldn’t have described it better. Saint David will be a shoo in at the 2021 Election to the HOK, and no doubt now, with a ringing endorsement from HRH The Chief Minister, a possible shoo in for the role of Chief Minister. Apparently the citation for the award of MBE says David Ashford was praised for his strong leadership of the DHSC. I thought the health service was originally fcuked up by previous Health Ministers which included HRH The Chief Minister and their Civil Servants. David Ashford hasn’t saved it ............. yet, we don’t know how Manx Care is going to play out. I would also say surely more medical staff from Nobles could have rewarded?

Finally I would add that honour awards to politicos, should be made after they have retired.

Yeh.  Whatever.  Give it a rest ffs:whatever:

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10 minutes ago, Twitch said:

Not bad for being told what to do.

Any honours for the clinicians?

One would hope so. Of those known to these boards, alone, Wrighty and Rachel Glover deserve recognition for their work in this matter.

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2 hours ago, Gladys said:

So, how does not testing prevent new cases? If someone one arrives and goes into quarantine for 14 days but are not tested because they are not able to take the 7 day test, it does not actually stop them having covid, it just stops it being recorded. And as Dr Glover points out, the 7 day test was useful information...

Ashie "hasn't ruled out" introducing testing on the 13th day of isolation. Logically, this has to be a more effectively-accurate method of virus-containment, lessening the potential number of cases entering into the community. Presumably, this means anyone unlucky enough to return a positive result after the day 13 test needs then to be tested again on the day +20 to ensure they're no longer infectious? Would this be cost-effective and safer in the long term with a view to containing numbers? It's not a question of if, only a question of when, that our "Covid bubble" will burst. 

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39 minutes ago, Gladys said:

Very pleased for him as I think he actually did a good job and "got it" more than others in government, including Howie, or Mr Quayle, as we must deferentially call him. 

Ashford did perform better than Quayle (as did my neighbour’s spaniel) but yet again we see a politician picking up a gong for simply doing their job  - there was no ‘above and beyond’ aspect to what Ashford did. The guys that empty my wheelie bin turned up every week, were cheerful, efficient, friendly and polite. They did their job. Where are their MBEs?

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2 hours ago, P.K. said:

As I hope I pointed out what I thought was clearly enough the caveats around being released into the wild after a negative test on Day 7 indicated to me that there was still an element of risk involved with doing so.

Or do you think they did it just for a laugh...?

Of course, testing on Day 7 or waiting until symptoms develop up to Day 14 makes absolutely no difference whatsoever to the number of folks coming to the island with the virus.

The day 7 testing was really an appeasement exercise for folks wanting the border controls to be relaxed further somewhat, whilst keeping the 'shut the doors' brigade at bay.

It basically meant that in specific cases, you could go back to work within a week or go for walkies. You were/are still encouraged to be distanced as much as possible.

The Guernsey 7th day test allowed you everywhere bar care homes and medical facilities without prior notice.

The island's approach of no news is good news is going to be problematic eventually. Might bite us in the bottom nearer Christmas as the influx of off-island residents living with people who are still able to go out and about will all but guarantee at least some community cases.

Whilst revoking it now may well make sense given the situation in the UK, it was always a very cautious toe in the water to releasing people early.

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32 minutes ago, 2112 said:

Couldn’t have described it better. Saint David will be a shoo in at the 2021 Election to the HOK, and no doubt now, with a ringing endorsement from HRH The Chief Minister, a possible shoo in for the role of Chief Minister. Apparently the citation for the award of MBE says David Ashford was praised for his strong leadership of the DHSC. I thought the health service was originally fcuked up by previous Health Ministers which included HRH The Chief Minister and their Civil Servants. David Ashford hasn’t saved it ............. yet, we don’t know how Manx Care is going to play out. I would also say surely more medical staff from Nobles could have rewarded?

Finally I would add that honour awards to politicos, should be made after they have retired.

Please no, can we have someone who has a bit of dynamism. Uber cautious, baby steps Ashford is a good second in command, but not a leader. Deserves the gong though, he did a good job, even though I disagree with his approach.

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