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Can you guys start a separate thread titled "Jersey is ace - oh no it isn't" and leave this one to a discussion on IOM and the coronavirus?

Ratio of admissions to deaths is not that different, testing is obviously out due to the massive capacity increase like just about everywhere in the world.    The current UK situation is impact

It's a safe place right now because of the Manx people, not the Manx politicians. None of us want to be "the person who brought it back" so we isolate and make sure we don't transmit the virus by bein

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4 minutes ago, trmpton said:

A false positive.  Like loads of them are.  The difference being in this case that because the first was a private test there was a second one ordered.

Unless I misheard, it wasn't the private one who tested positive that they were talking about (though that's what Howard suggested, but seemed to be corrected by David Ashford straight after).

Perhaps I'm misinterpreting, but it sounded like the negative test was the person who had been in contact with the positive, private case.

 

EDIT: Though Manx Radio is reporting that it was the private positive case who has been tested negative. Guess I did mishear.

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2 minutes ago, HeliX said:

Unless I misheard, it wasn't the private one who tested positive that they were talking about (though that's what Howard suggested, but seemed to be corrected by David Ashford straight after).

Perhaps I'm misinterpreting, but it sounded like the negative test was the person who had been in contact with the positive, private case.

Think you might have misinterpreted it.

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23 minutes ago, Banker said:

Didn't know you were Gavin St Pier !!! The presss release says nothing about shelving?

Effectively it does.  Despite the 'start' date:

In practical terms, this will initially mean that testing on arrival is available for arrivals from Category 3 and 4 countries.

At this time there are no jurisdictions with direct links to Guernsey that would meet the criteria for Category 2.

With the risk level in all neighbouring jurisdictions rising, the reduction of self-isolation periods will not be seen immediately, but there are other significant benefits that come with testing on arrival, such as the ability to begin contact tracing those who were on board an aircraft or vessel more quickly.

However, the CCA stressed that those concerned about rising cases in the UK, France, Jersey and elsewhere should not see this move as any less safe than the current travel restrictions. Based on the current prevalence rates in the UK, all arrivals would still need to self-isolate for either 7 or 14 days.

Which sounds pretty much like shelving to me.  In fact, by increasing the self-isolation for the middle level from 5 to 7 days they are actually tightening up.

The main change is about testing on arrival.  But even those who test negative will  be operating under "enhanced passive follow-up" which is  similar to the restrictions that the Isle of Man was using for those who passed their 7 day test.  Though obviously it wasn't operated here with a 14-day quarantine fro those from many areas.

Guernsey is actually tightening up its controls while selling it as loosening them.

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Well Howies press conference was probably one of the worst yet  , basically a report on what’s happening in UK & Ireland, how wonderful I am & Ashie is great.

No plan! Only slight controversial question was one about Rachel Glover criticism on lack of testing which was basically dismissed!

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11 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

Effectively it does.  Despite the 'start' date:

In practical terms, this will initially mean that testing on arrival is available for arrivals from Category 3 and 4 countries.

At this time there are no jurisdictions with direct links to Guernsey that would meet the criteria for Category 2.

With the risk level in all neighbouring jurisdictions rising, the reduction of self-isolation periods will not be seen immediately, but there are other significant benefits that come with testing on arrival, such as the ability to begin contact tracing those who were on board an aircraft or vessel more quickly.

However, the CCA stressed that those concerned about rising cases in the UK, France, Jersey and elsewhere should not see this move as any less safe than the current travel restrictions. Based on the current prevalence rates in the UK, all arrivals would still need to self-isolate for either 7 or 14 days.

Which sounds pretty much like shelving to me.  In fact, by increasing the self-isolation for the middle level from 5 to 7 days they are actually tightening up.

The main change is about testing on arrival.  But even those who test negative will  be operating under "enhanced passive follow-up" which is  similar to the restrictions that the Isle of Man was using for those who passed their 7 day test.  Though obviously it wasn't operated here with a 14-day quarantine fro those from many areas.

Guernsey is actually tightening up its controls while selling it as loosening them.

Bollocks it is a loosening as at present their guidelines put everyone in red zone so 14 days isolation with no testing.think you’re confused with Jersey who have 5 days testing for amber, Guernsey never have.

They have completely changed categories making category 3 now upto 100 cases in 100k whereas before it was 30 for 7 days testing. Their aim is to get open links with Jersey so now they have 7 days testing, before 14 days isolation. Same with Southampton & Poole their main links for plane & Ferry. So come 26/10 they will have most of southern England to travel to and have 7 days testing, also help for returning students via Southampton 

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4 minutes ago, Banker said:

Well Howies press conference was probably one of the worst yet  , basically a report on what’s happening in UK & Ireland, how wonderful I am & Ashie is great.

No plan! Only slight controversial question was one about Rachel Glover criticism on lack of testing which was basically dismissed!

Well to be fair if it's a press conference about coronavirus they are more likely to mention where it is than where it isn't.  But it doesn't seem to be Quayle's finest hour according to the MR LiveBlog:

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Mr Quayle says too much testing could give further 'false negatives' which could lead to a false sense of security in the community.

which basically means (in so far as it means anything at all) that he does really think that if you don't test it means it isn't there.  But even at the height of the pandemic here most results were negative anyway.

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51 minutes ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said:

which is why he binned the 7 day test.

And ironically why people now have to go to a private clinic to get a covid test if they’re worried or going away and need one. Surely it would be better for government to offer that you can buy a test off them (that might have better integrity) than the only option now being to go to a private clinic for a test then potentially kick up a shit-storm like this when it comes back false-positive? 

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2 hours ago, trmpton said:

A false positive.  Like loads of them are.  The difference being in this case that because the first was a private test there was a second one ordered.

To be scrupulously fair, shouldn't it be the best of three?

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It’s the only option now though. Plenty of countries require a negative test result in advance to let you in:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/advice/countries-with-quarantine-for-uk-arrivals/

So people traveling have to buy tests to enter a lot of places. I’m amazed you can’t just buy a test off government for these situations rather than have to go to a third party tester. If your paying what’s the problem? IMS charge £160 for a swab test government test is £50 and they say that’s above cost. 

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20 minutes ago, Utah 01 said:

To be scrupulously fair, shouldn't it be the best of three?

You may laugh, but that's exactly what it is:

The individual, who is not a Zurich employee, had chosen to have the private test done ahead of travelling off-island.

But when a further test was carried out through the government’s testing service, the result came back negative – indicating the first result was a ‘false positive’.

A third test is due to take place on Sunday.

As a precaution, the individual will continue to self-isolate for 14 days, along with others in their household, pending that third test result.

Of course this doesn't explain why Sunday is somehow 14 days away, but whatever.

The positive test was after "taking a private test at home", rather than through a local intermediary like IMS.  And there are all sorts of problems with that sort of thing as I mentioned before.

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26 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

You may laugh, but that's exactly what it is:

The individual, who is not a Zurich employee, had chosen to have the private test done ahead of travelling off-island.

But when a further test was carried out through the government’s testing service, the result came back negative – indicating the first result was a ‘false positive’.

A third test is due to take place on Sunday.

As a precaution, the individual will continue to self-isolate for 14 days, along with others in their household, pending that third test result.

Of course this doesn't explain why Sunday is somehow 14 days away, but whatever.

The positive test was after "taking a private test at home", rather than through a local intermediary like IMS.  And there are all sorts of problems with that sort of thing as I mentioned before.

Howie said if the test on Sunday is also negative the isolation notice will be cancelled, hope she got her £180 back for the false result plus 4 days isolation for nothing!!

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