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Can you guys start a separate thread titled "Jersey is ace - oh no it isn't" and leave this one to a discussion on IOM and the coronavirus?

It's a safe place right now because of the Manx people, not the Manx politicians. None of us want to be "the person who brought it back" so we isolate and make sure we don't transmit the virus by bein

Ratio of admissions to deaths is not that different, testing is obviously out due to the massive capacity increase like just about everywhere in the world.    The current UK situation is impact

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11 hours ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said:

It only impacts because there is so much unnecessary paranoia about it.

Social distancing is a pile of shit.  Two metres has no real foundation other than  it's better than hugging but not as good as ten metres.

My response was in relation to this overly paranoid view about isolation and the whole household not isolating.  It's very low risk stuff.

So, we could put it in simpler terms.

If someone goes around stinking of poo, given the choice, you'd be as far away as possible. But within reasonable constraints, being 2m away from the source of the smell is a lot better than being right up against it. The smell of said poo is partially from particulates hitting your olfactory system. Less poo = less smell. Same with COVID, less virus gets into you, the less chance it has of actually infecting you.

There's a good article in the BMJ about it if you want to read the history of why we use 1-2m as a ballaprk figure for droplet spread. Of course, it was thought that COVID only spread through droplets initially, but there's lots of talk it's also airborne, hence ventilation etc. helping.

 

1 hour ago, Banker said:

Guernsey explaining a bit more about new rules from 26/10 , none of this whole household isolation rubbish. 7 days testing for Jersey & Southampton is good for them

https://guernseypress.com/top-stories/homepage/2020/10/16/facemasks-are-strongly-advised-for-those-in-enhanced-passive-follow-up/

Surprised Howie wasn’t asked how this impacts air bridges as Iom residents visit Guernsey and can mix with jersey visitors 

This is almost exactly what the 7 day test here was. Even the heavy suggestion of face mask is mirrored.

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15 minutes ago, Banker said:

All that’s going to happen this weekend with Bunham not cooperating is that all Liverpool crowd will be on trains etc to Manchester this weekend to ram the pubs etc

As luck has it, Manchester is being forced to toe the line.

There was a potential problem in people piling onto trains - travel is supposed to be for essential purposes only, and people are supposed to stay local, though how that is supposed to be policed is another matter.

 

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30 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said:

So, we could put it in simpler terms.

If someone goes around stinking of poo, given the choice, you'd be as far away as possible. But within reasonable constraints, being 2m away from the source of the smell is a lot better than being right up against it. The smell of said poo is partially from particulates hitting your olfactory system. Less poo = less smell. Same with COVID, less virus gets into you, the less chance it has of actually infecting you.

There's a good article in the BMJ about it if you want to read the history of why we use 1-2m as a ballaprk figure for droplet spread. Of course, it was thought that COVID only spread through droplets initially, but there's lots of talk it's also airborne, hence ventilation etc. helping.

 

This is almost exactly what the 7 day test here was. Even the heavy suggestion of face mask is mirrored.

Well we copied it from Guernsey to start with but now binned it for some reason, if Jersey get back below 30:100000 they will be on test on arrival then if negative you don’t need to isolate fully.

whereas ashie is talking about testing at 13 days ,no one will agree to that shit

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39 minutes ago, Banker said:

All that’s going to happen this weekend with Bunham not cooperating is that all Liverpool crowd will be on trains etc to Manchester this weekend to ram the pubs etc

Do you still think homeward bound students will toe the line here at Christmas?

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23 minutes ago, monasqueen said:

As luck has it, Manchester is being forced to toe the line.

There was a potential problem in people piling onto trains - travel is supposed to be for essential purposes only, and people are supposed to stay local, though how that is supposed to be policed is another matter.

 

Sorry, false information. Lancashire is now in Tier 3. Manchester is still being leaned on.

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I see Guernsey newly elected island wide politicians weren’t as impressed with Gav as Howie and some on here.

He’s just been junked as chair of policy & resources - the GSY equivalent of Chief Minister.

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1 hour ago, thommo2010 said:

This here. 

 

It amazes me the amount of people I see calling for tighter restrictions to save lives but in the next breath are quite happy to see people being thrown on the scrapheap and that won't have an impact on them, as if money just magically grows on trees.

 

There’s something wrong with this generation of wokes. They seem to accept any old shit pumped down the pipe at them. As I pointed out the other day - 40 years ago the streets of Liverpool were on fire as a result of social exclusion and high unemployment. But the wokes will happily accept any moves to move them onto the scrap heap as they’ve been told it’s in order to “save” other people. They’ll accept any old stupid plan, unemployment queue, repossession or displacement forced on them. Because they’re largely docile and have been scared rigid by virus stories. If this had have happened in the 80s or 90s the whole country would be on fire by now as nobody would have put up with this cynical life-wrecking shit from the political establishment. 

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2 hours ago, Banker said:

Guernsey explaining a bit more about new rules from 26/10 , none of this whole household isolation rubbish. 7 days testing for Jersey & Southampton is good for them

https://guernseypress.com/top-stories/homepage/2020/10/16/facemasks-are-strongly-advised-for-those-in-enhanced-passive-follow-up/

Surprised Howie wasn’t asked how this impacts air bridges as Iom residents visit Guernsey and can mix with jersey visitors 

You did read the article? People from Jersey have to isolate for 7 days and then have a test. If negative, enhanced isolation for a further 7 days still not mixing with the general public (like our 7 days and test was). So basically 14 days isolation, just like here.

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10 minutes ago, Cambon said:

You did read the article? People from Jersey have to isolate for 7 days and then have a test. If negative, enhanced isolation for a further 7 days still not mixing with the general public (like our 7 days and test was). So basically 14 days isolation, just like here.

Did you read it? Still testing at 7 days and basically means Guernsey residents can travel to Jersey & Southampton and most of southern England and only do 7 days if negative so it’s not 14 days.

if any area gets below 30:100k it’s test on arrival so Jersey will probably get there soon .

our muppets are clueless 

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30 minutes ago, John Wright said:

I see Guernsey newly elected island wide politicians weren’t as impressed with Gav as Howie and some on here.

He’s just been junked as chair of policy & resources - the GSY equivalent of Chief Minister.

Yes , Howie would be same if he stood again. See new head comments 

He stressed the importance of looking after the island's economy, and said anyone who thought 97% of the economy was running efficiently was 'not living in the real economic world'.

Howie & some on here need to accept the above is relevant in Iom 

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11 minutes ago, Banker said:

Yes , Howie would be same if he stood again. See new head comments 

He stressed the importance of looking after the island's economy, and said anyone who thought 97% of the economy was running efficiently was 'not living in the real economic world'.

Howie & some on here need to accept the above is relevant in Iom 

More people should listen to you and Sultan that's what I say...

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36 minutes ago, Banker said:

Did you read it? Still testing at 7 days and basically means Guernsey residents can travel to Jersey & Southampton and most of southern England and only do 7 days if negative so it’s not 14 days.

if any area gets below 30:100k it’s test on arrival so Jersey will probably get there soon .

our muppets are clueless 

It is 7 days isolation, test, 7 days revised isolation, so 14 days. That is what the article is about. 

Jersey wont see 30:100,000 this year unless they lock down. 

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2 minutes ago, Cambon said:

It is 7 days isolation, test, 7 days revised isolation, so 14 days. That is what the article is about. 

Jersey wont see 30:100,000 this year unless they lock down. 

Yes exactly what we had until fat controller stopped it!! Guernsey showing way

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