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China has been well on top of ways to deal with this virus from the very start (apart from letting Wuhan whistleblowers die from it.)

It leads me to believe that a) they are massively massaging their statistics, and/or b) knowing how to deal with virus escapes from Wuhan, because they get them all the time????

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19 minutes ago, monasqueen said:

China has been well on top of ways to deal with this virus from the very start (apart from letting Wuhan whistleblowers die from it.)

It leads me to believe that a) they are massively massaging their statistics, and/or b) knowing how to deal with virus escapes from Wuhan, because they get them all the time????

Or they are a totalitarian coercive society where the state acts wearing size 15 jackboots in its lock down.

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23 minutes ago, monasqueen said:

China has been well on top of ways to deal with this virus from the very start (apart from letting Wuhan whistleblowers die from it.)

It leads me to believe that a) they are massively massaging their statistics, and/or b) knowing how to deal with virus escapes from Wuhan, because they get them all the time????

:rolleyes:

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38 minutes ago, Nom de plume said:

You didn’t read or just dismissed this Roger?

https://lockdownsceptics.org/what-sage-got-wrong/

Are you also dismissing suggestions that if you are under 75, contract Covid presenting symptoms, your chances of dying are 0.001%?

Yet Governments all over Europe are systematically plunging millions into the depths of poverty, denying patients urgent medical treatments, inflicting untold mental health issues on the most vulnerable & worse.

To really make you wonder, China, with a population of close to 1.5 billion people has only recorded 4,634 deaths and has two of the most densely populated cities in the world.

You don’t find all that a bit ‘off’?

 

I’ve read it. The whole article has a very off-putting, conspiratorial, flat-earth, climate-change-denying style. Whereas some of what he writes has merit - T-cell immunity, lower IFR etc - he’s definitely skewing the figures to suit his own ‘SAGE are all incompetent’ agenda. 
 

The reality is that the second wave is coming - at least in the NW. ITU beds filling up, something like 600+ covid cases admitted to Liverpool hospitals right now, they’re on the verge of cancelling elective work, and we’re having to come up with contingency plans for how to deal with non-covid stuff here that ordinarily gets sent across, if they can’t cope. 
 

On the plus side, we’re better at treating it now. It may be slightly less virulent than in April (jury’s out on that one) and effective, and more importantly ineffective treatments, are known about. 

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10 minutes ago, monasqueen said:

Going back to Jersey versus Guernsey, I find the Jersey Evening Post article on the topic of Guernsey's new Chief Minister rather amusing!

As they say, "the two islands took different very approaches in response to the Covid-19 outbreak"

I wonder if he’s said anything about HQ. Ferbrache was GSY chief minister before Gav, so it’s a come back.

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35 minutes ago, wrighty said:

I’ve read it. The whole article has a very off-putting, conspiratorial, flat-earth, climate-change-denying style. Whereas some of what he writes has merit - T-cell immunity, lower IFR etc - he’s definitely skewing the figures to suit his own ‘SAGE are all incompetent’ agenda. 
 

The reality is that the second wave is coming - at least in the NW. ITU beds filling up, something like 600+ covid cases admitted to Liverpool hospitals right now, they’re on the verge of cancelling elective work, and we’re having to come up with contingency plans for how to deal with non-covid stuff here that ordinarily gets sent across, if they can’t cope. 
 

On the plus side, we’re better at treating it now. It may be slightly less virulent than in April (jury’s out on that one) and effective, and more importantly ineffective treatments, are known about. 

Where do you sit on the longer term damage that’s being done?

ie, the suffering & misery that is already unfolding on millions.

We are beyond the tipping point. 

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32 minutes ago, Nom de plume said:

Where do you sit on the longer term damage that’s being done?

ie, the suffering & misery that is already unfolding on millions.

We are beyond the tipping point. 

Here or across?

Here we’ve got it pretty good. It is difficult for some not being able to freely travel, but it would be worse if we started filling up Noble’s with covid cases, and shutting down businesses again. For the time being I don’t think there’s much else to be done over here. 
 

In the UK I’m torn between the circuit-breaker idea, and just thinking they may as well crack-on. All the half-arsed measures over the past few months have got them where exactly? The paddle-free brown smelly river, that’s where. Adopt the Swedish model and go for herd immunity, but expect a deadly winter which might completely collapse the NHS. Tough choices. 

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16 minutes ago, wrighty said:

Here or across?

Here we’ve got it pretty good. It is difficult for some not being able to freely travel, but it would be worse if we started filling up Noble’s with covid cases, and shutting down businesses again. For the time being I don’t think there’s much else to be done over here. 
 

In the UK I’m torn between the circuit-breaker idea, and just thinking they may as well crack-on. All the half-arsed measures over the past few months have got them where exactly? The paddle-free brown smelly river, that’s where. Adopt the Swedish model and go for herd immunity, but expect a deadly winter which might completely collapse the NHS. Tough choices. 

I agree 100% on here currently. There’s not a lot we can do until the New Year. At least we get to enjoy a Christmas of sorts though many families will not be together.

In regards the U.K., I think we have to see how the next three months pan out. If there’s no significant improvement then I’m of the opinion it really is time to crack on & try as best they can to protect those that need it.

A dreadful dilemma but ultimately there is a whole lot of horror unfolding long term if these series of lockdowns / restrictions continue.

I want my kids to grow up in a society that has a chance not worse than the late 70’s.

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17 minutes ago, Nom de plume said:

I agree 100% on here currently. There’s not a lot we can do until the New Year. At least we get to enjoy a Christmas of sorts though many families will not be together.

In regards the U.K., I think we have to see how the next three months pan out. If there’s no significant improvement then I’m of the opinion it really is time to crack on & try as best they can to protect those that need it.

A dreadful dilemma but ultimately there is a whole lot of horror unfolding long term if these series of lockdowns / restrictions continue.

I want my kids to grow up in a society that has a chance not worse than the late 70’s.

The government can put on more and more restrictions on business/people, but if a significant minority do not comply, the government will have to be pragmatic and either go full on authoritarian or let everyone get on with it. Boris and the tories are libertarians so I bet that the rules will become merely guidance and then we watch and wait...The public compliance is the thing to watch. I feel that it is starting to falter.

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