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10 minutes ago, Out of the blue said:

Boris and the tories are libertarians 

I don't get the impression that Boris is a libertarian. Certainly not economically.

I see him as much more patrician. And he described himself as a "Brexity Heseltine".

Also - events are pretty much running things now.

 

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Can you guys start a separate thread titled "Jersey is ace - oh no it isn't" and leave this one to a discussion on IOM and the coronavirus?

It's a safe place right now because of the Manx people, not the Manx politicians. None of us want to be "the person who brought it back" so we isolate and make sure we don't transmit the virus by bein

Ratio of admissions to deaths is not that different, testing is obviously out due to the massive capacity increase like just about everywhere in the world.    The current UK situation is impact

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2 hours ago, wrighty said:

I’ve read it. The whole article has a very off-putting, conspiratorial, flat-earth, climate-change-denying style. Whereas some of what he writes has merit - T-cell immunity, lower IFR etc - he’s definitely skewing the figures to suit his own ‘SAGE are all incompetent’ agenda. The reality is that the second wave is coming - at least in the NW. ITU beds filling up, something like 600+ covid cases admitted to Liverpool hospitals right now, they’re on the verge of cancelling elective work, and we’re having to come up with contingency plans for how to deal with non-covid stuff here that ordinarily gets sent across, if they can’t cope. On the plus side, we’re better at treating it now. It may be slightly less virulent than in April (jury’s out on that one) and effective, and more importantly ineffective treatments, are known about. 

 

1 hour ago, Nom de plume said:

Where do you sit on the longer term damage that’s being done?

ie, the suffering & misery that is already unfolding on millions.

We are beyond the tipping point. 

 

The lockdown sceptics article pointed out by Nom the plume is not written in a language appropriate for a scientific paper; the BMJ would reject it for sure. One does not write on those "official" journals to disparage scientists with different opinions.

However, its main conclusions cannot be dismissed solely on that ground. There are essential points made regarding the fatality rate (0.2% in the most authoritative reference) and the percentage of people who may be susceptible to infection that have plenty of verification in published papers that are credible.

There are hundreds of the most qualified academics and practitioners that have signed the Great Barrington Declaration; one cannot just sweep it under the carpet.

And there is the example of some very civilised countries that have adopted liberal forms of social distancing based on voluntary compliance and that have had a much better pandemic than the UK and did not see the need to go into crazy isolation from the world like this nutty island.

Covid-19 is nowhere as dangerous as implied by our draconian policies. It was never going to produce as many fatalities as the Imperial College's scenarios. The local lockdowns currently underway in the UK will not have much impact; only circa 5% of infections are coming from the hospitality industry (pubs, restaurants etc).

 

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1 minute ago, Black Mirror said:

hundreds of the most qualified academics and practitioners that have signed the Great Barrington Declaration;

Dr Micky Mouse and other unlikely names included.

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Theres only one Barrington as far as I'm concerned. And that's the right honourable sir Barrington Stevens esquire. Where is he anyway? I know he made a bit of a faux pas with the Jews in the ashtray joke but surely it's about time to welcome him back into the fold? And rog too.

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1 hour ago, TheTeapot said:

Here's an article about Sweden people might like to read, although with minds already made up and views inflexible I doubt people will.

https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/

 

51 minutes ago, Nom de plume said:

I agree 100% on here currently. There’s not a lot we can do until the New Year. At least we get to enjoy a Christmas of sorts though many families will not be together. In regards the U.K., I think we have to see how the next three months pan out. If there’s no significant improvement then I’m of the opinion it really is time to crack on & try as best they can to protect those that need it. A dreadful dilemma but ultimately there is a whole lot of horror unfolding long term if these series of lockdowns / restrictions continue. I want my kids to grow up in a society that has a chance not worse than the late 70’s.

 

25 minutes ago, Out of the blue said:

The government can put on more and more restrictions on business/people, but if a significant minority do not comply, the government will have to be pragmatic and either go full on authoritarian or let everyone get on with it. Boris and the tories are libertarians so I bet that the rules will become merely guidance and then we watch and wait...The public compliance is the thing to watch. I feel that it is starting to falter.

 

The paper on the Time contains plenty of misleading or simply false information.

For instance, Japan did almost no lockdown. Nothing was forcibly closed by the government. It had not restriction on personal freedom. Did almost no testing tracing at all.

And the stupid paper lists it among the countries that "locked down early and/or used extensive test and tracing". It is bullshit.

You are correct that people believe in what they want to believe. For instance, they believe in god. We are a post-truth specie and those "beliefs" have been used to control people since the down of time. The virus is just another such method of control and coercion. Most people can't think for themselves, that is why they can be controlled in that way.

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5 minutes ago, Black Mirror said:

For instance, Japan did almost no lockdown. Nothing was forcibly closed by the government. It had not restriction on personal freedom. Did almost no testing tracing at all.

Really? Did they not shut their borders to large parts of the world? Must be a "nutty Island":D

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57 minutes ago, Black Mirror said:

There are hundreds of the most qualified academics and practitioners that have signed the Great Barrington Declaration; one cannot just sweep it under the carpet.

Indeed not.  It should be examined and then torn to pieces with great ferocity.

Even being generous to it in its assumptions, it's a recipe for hundreds of thousands of extra deaths as pointed out in this Twitter thread.  (You'll not often get me quoting Tory MPs).

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3 hours ago, wrighty said:

Here or across?

Here we’ve got it pretty good. It is difficult for some not being able to freely travel, but it would be worse if we started filling up Noble’s with covid cases, and shutting down businesses again. For the time being I don’t think there’s much else to be done over here. 
 

In the UK I’m torn between the circuit-breaker idea, and just thinking they may as well crack-on. All the half-arsed measures over the past few months have got them where exactly? The paddle-free brown smelly river, that’s where. Adopt the Swedish model and go for herd immunity, but expect a deadly winter which might completely collapse the NHS. Tough choices. 

Now that's not going to sit well with Banker and SoS...

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1 minute ago, thesultanofsheight said:

You literally add zero to this forum but mentally retarded trolling. 

You literally have no sense of irony, do you?

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