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23 minutes ago, Max Power said:

Quite frankly Gladys, they have gradually shown themselves to be worse than their previous counterparts as the century has unfolded. Their lofty positions have blinded them and raised them in their own estimations to the point where they believe that they are superior and all knowing, when nothing could be further from the truth. The pandemic is being used to reinforce their self engrandment and to strip away hard won liberties across the world. I think these are very dangerous times indeed! 

@Rob Callisterthis sounds like a job for “The Peoples Prince”

A man who thoroughly fulfilled promises of a manifesto 

Maybe Onchan voters for Rob should wear Red Trump style hats to identity themselves - if he goes another full term he’s pension eligible at taxpayers expense which is his ambition 

5 more years 5 more years 5 more years.....

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12 minutes ago, Mr Helmut Fromage said:

@Rob Callisterthis sounds like a job for “The Peoples Prince”

A man who thoroughly fulfilled promises of a manifesto 

Maybe Onchan voters for Rob should wear Red Trump style hats to identity themselves - if he goes another full term he’s pension eligible at taxpayers expense which is his ambition 

5 more years 5 more years 5 more years.....

Well, it is "the best club in the world"

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9 minutes ago, Mr Helmut Fromage said:

@Rob Callisterthis sounds like a job for “The Peoples Prince”

A man who thoroughly fulfilled promises of a manifesto 

Maybe Onchan voters for Rob should wear Red Trump style hats to identity themselves - if he goes another full term he’s pension eligible at taxpayers expense which is his ambition 

5 more years 5 more years 5 more years.....

To be fair, this applies to several governments across the world, we are so aware of the fallibility of our leaders, partly due to continuous news broadcasts and journalism, plus social media, which seems to expose the true nature of many politicians.  

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Just now, finlo said:

Well, it is "the best club in the world"

I’d like to take a club to most of them.

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9th case identified in Guernsey yesterday, already in isolation as part of track and trace from first case.

Is the government there panicking?  Nope, same day that move to level 5c of their published framework which means the launch of a new web portal that takes details of people’s travel history and implements testing on arrival to the Island.

Fingers crossed Howard has some news on a structured way forward this afternoon, but I doubt it.  Guess it will be more doom and gloom from our “near neighbours” and no change in the pipeline and no actual roadmap laid out.

Hope I am wrong as there appears to be a growing level of disdain towards the apparent total lack of an actual strategy to get us back to anywhere near a workable borders policy.

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2 hours ago, trmpton said:

9th case identified in Guernsey yesterday, already in isolation as part of track and trace from first case.

Is the government there panicking?  Nope, same day that move to level 5c of their published framework which means the launch of a new web portal that takes details of people’s travel history and implements testing on arrival to the Island.

Fingers crossed Howard has some news on a structured way forward this afternoon, but I doubt it.  Guess it will be more doom and gloom from our “near neighbours” and no change in the pipeline and no actual roadmap laid out.

Hope I am wrong as there appears to be a growing level of disdain towards the apparent total lack of an actual strategy to get us back to anywhere near a workable borders policy.

I hope I'm proved wrong later today, but there's a real risk that CoMin will just drift along, doing and changing nothing, and hiding behind the UK situation, until well into the New Year. By then,the General Election will be on the horizon, HQ will announce he won't be standing which will leave us with a zombie CM and a zombie CoMin. We'll just drift through 2021 with still no exit strategy, no plan. I hope I'm wrong, but at this time, I see no reason to expect a more optimistic way forward. 

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27 minutes ago, Nellie said:

I hope I'm proved wrong later today, but there's a real risk that CoMin will just drift along, doing and changing nothing, and hiding behind the UK situation, until well into the New Year. By then,the General Election will be on the horizon, HQ will announce he won't be standing which will leave us with a zombie CM and a zombie CoMin. We'll just drift through 2021 with still no exit strategy, no plan. I hope I'm wrong, but at this time, I see no reason to expect a more optimistic way forward. 

On the flip side there really isn't any reason to rock the boat either. We're entering a period where most people aren't bothered about the border restrictions, we're winding down to Xmas and people are going about their business in a manner that the majority of the world can only dream of. The local economy is ticking over and people are generally content as they can be.

Let's not just bash them for the sake of it. We've not done too bad so far. The time to bash them is post-Xmas and their still isn't a strategy but let's wait for that day to come first.

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32 minutes ago, Lxxx said:

On the flip side there really isn't any reason to rock the boat either. We're entering a period where most people aren't bothered about the border restrictions, we're winding down to Xmas and people are going about their business in a manner that the majority of the world can only dream of. The local economy is ticking over and people are generally content as they can be.

Let's not just bash them for the sake of it. We've not done too bad so far. The time to bash them is post-Xmas and their still isn't a strategy but let's wait for that day to come first.

If they don't have a strategy leading up to Xmas (other than a unidents staggered return) then there won't be one after Xmas either as IOMG drift along.

I'm inclined to agree with Nellie's scenario. And that scenario is worrying.

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32 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

If they don't have a strategy leading up to Xmas (other than a unidents staggered return) then there won't be one after Xmas either as IOMG drift along.

I'm inclined to agree with Nellie's scenario. And that scenario is worrying.

We're in October. You can't bash someone for a lack of a public post-Xmas strategy when we're still in Autumn. As it happens I'm with you in not holding out much hope but let's wait for the right opportunity to criticise before we do.

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2 hours ago, Lxxx said:

On the flip side there really isn't any reason to rock the boat either. We're entering a period where most people aren't bothered about the border restrictions, we're winding down to Xmas and people are going about their business in a manner that the majority of the world can only dream of. The local economy is ticking over and people are generally content as they can be.

Let's not just bash them for the sake of it. We've not done too bad so far. The time to bash them is post-Xmas and their still isn't a strategy but let's wait for that day to come first.

If you think “most people aren’t bothered” then you speak to very different people to the ones I do.

Most of my regular contacts are becoming seriously annoyed that loved ones can’t come and visit even if prepared to isolate and that there is no clear road map as to how this ever changes.  They are going to have some seriously unhappy residents of family and friends can’t get here for Christmas.

I know of people out of work due to this in the UK effectively stuck in their homes because the were born here and their family are all here.  They want to isolate on return and then see family, or are happy to have family isolate with them, but are being refused travel.  That situation needs relaxing at least for people born here or who have close family and friends here.

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6 minutes ago, Lxxx said:

We're in October. You can't bash someone for a lack of a public post-Xmas strategy when we're still in Autumn. As it happens I'm with you in not holding out much hope but let's wait for the right opportunity to criticise before we do.

From 1st November it will be 8 months (or thereabouts) since emergency laws/regulations were introduced and so if COMIN haven't formulated a plan on protecting the most vulnerable in our society by now, whilst the rest can about their business on/off Island, then we will all be screwed. Waiting for the UK to sort themselves out should not be the only option.

I haven't seen or heard anything that might suggest they actually do have a clue. Stopping the arrival testing on day 7 was a retrograde step IMO, if for no other reason than we have no data to formulate any future policy or processes on. We (they) should use every tool in the box to make a difference, not just sit idly by and hope for the best. I hope that I am wrong and COMIN are working on something in the background but from what we're being told it appears to be nowt other than "as you were".

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36 minutes ago, trmpton said:

If you think “most people aren’t bothered” then you speak to very different people to the ones I do.

Most of my regular contacts are becoming seriously annoyed that loved ones can’t come and visit even if prepared to isolate and that there is no clear road map as to how this ever changes.  They are going to have some seriously unhappy residents of family and friends can’t get here for Christmas.

I know of people out of work due to this in the UK effectively stuck in their homes because the were born here and their family are all here.  They want to isolate on return and then see family, or are happy to have family isolate with them, but are being refused travel.  That situation needs relaxing at least for people born here or who have close family and friends here.

I must admit I wasn't aware that family/non-residents couldn't come over after undergoing a quarantine period. The last I heard we were looking at a phase 3a and 3b whereby they could be sponsored as long as they adhered to the same restrictions as residents. Same with business travel. Is this not the case?

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Agree with above.

Guernsey have implemented testing on arrival.  Doing that doesn’t have to mean an immediate end to 14 day quarantine.

However if we test everyone incoming on days 1, 5 and 14 you build a valuable dataset.

If in a few weeks 30% of people are testing positive after day 5, but not on day one, then gov have valid hard evidence to stick to 14 day isolation.

If it turns out that 99% of the people who test positive at day 5 actually tested positive on day 1 as well then you have firm data to show there is likely justification for the small risk of reducing quarantine to 7 days for anyone who tests clear on arrival etc.

Whats the harm? Other than cost and this is costing a fortune anyway.  We only have two entry points (disregarding fishing boats and parachute drops) it shouldn’t be that hard to build up a dataset that would enable us to have more faith in the reasoning behind Howard’s, sorry CoMIns decisions

 

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1 minute ago, Lxxx said:

I must admit I wasn't aware that family/non-residents couldn't come over after undergoing a quarantine period. The last I heard we were looking at a phase 3a and 3b whereby they could be sponsored as long as they adhered to the same restrictions as residents. Same with business travel. Is this not the case?

No.  It should have been weeks ago with strict testing and sponsorship.

We are still stuck at level 4.  Exemption certificates are being awarded to about two thirds of those who apply on “compassionate grounds” but like everything else the criteria seems to be a bit cloak and daggers with no clear guidelines as to what qualifies a person and what doesn’t - leading to the usual unrest and accusations of it being down to who you know.

Just make things transparent and the plebs will be much more complaint 

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10 minutes ago, trmpton said:

No.  It should have been weeks ago with strict testing and sponsorship.

We are still stuck at level 4.  Exemption certificates are being awarded to about two thirds of those who apply on “compassionate grounds” but like everything else the criteria seems to be a bit cloak and daggers with no clear guidelines as to what qualifies a person and what doesn’t - leading to the usual unrest and accusations of it being down to who you know.

Just make things transparent and the plebs will be much more complaint 

In which case I agree completely. It makes no sense whatsoever to be letting non-essential workers over without quarantining and refusing relatives of family who agree to quarantine. 

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