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51 minutes ago, Lxxx said:

With all due respect, and I mean this sincerely, to lie awake contemplating a horrible painful demise is no way to live a life. 

I can assure you no-one thinks you’re life is worthless however we need to move ahead as a society using a risk based approach. For everyone.

There are also a lot of things you can do personally to your general health in relation to improvingyour robustness against respiratory viruses, raising your viramin d levels being one that has received a lot of research. There are others. 

Living in fear will also depress your immune system though, which is the main point. Granted society needs to do more to safeguard our older generation but don’t let this period of your life be a write off. 

cheers, it doesn't happen too often thank goodness and thanks for suggestions. I already exercise, work, good diet, vit D and C, fruit, nuts and sex but although living a good life the black descends occasionally and yes, I also worry a great deal about the future for our youth, my seven grandchildren, everyone in fact trying to deal with our brave new world, even while folk around the world try to kill their neighbours, their adopted countrymen and anyone else who disagrees with their religion or other beliefs

It's very hard sometimes to keep going when so many people don't give a fig for others well being.

OK rant over, a nice cup of tea and a hug for my loved ones and try and stay on an even keel until it becomes too much again. Thanks for listening.

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Can you guys start a separate thread titled "Jersey is ace - oh no it isn't" and leave this one to a discussion on IOM and the coronavirus?

It's a safe place right now because of the Manx people, not the Manx politicians. None of us want to be "the person who brought it back" so we isolate and make sure we don't transmit the virus by bein

Ratio of admissions to deaths is not that different, testing is obviously out due to the massive capacity increase like just about everywhere in the world.    The current UK situation is impact

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11 minutes ago, The Old Git said:

Some shelves at B&Q are looking fairly bare. Bloke was saying he’s having trouble replacing stock with the situation in the U.K.  Expecting one more shipment before Christmas maybe. 
 

Hope our food supplies are in better state. 

If there is a problem then it's not the UK supply chain. It lies elsewhere. Try Googling "container shortages" and you'll see why there might be disruptions in some supply chains. 

And there's no reason to suspect or expect that food supplies will be affected. The food supply chain is a different animal altogether.

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Well said. Mr Wright. 

it is a pity this message has not really come across from our Government. 

8 minutes ago, John Wright said:

But I feel there’s a space in the centre, between the two extremes of closed borders and free for all, based on improved knowledge and science. A middle ground that would allow greater freedom of movement, but not put you, or me, at increased risk.

I favour testing before arrival, testing at 7 days, and, either,  a government subsidised accommodation facility for that 7 days if home can’t provide separate living, or tagging and monitoring, a la Dubai, if it can. I’d also favour a Manx App, blue tooth based. 

It's a good job that young people like their phones so much as I think some of the things to come will include:

1. Enforced health care app on mobile phone with locator built in that an not be turned off. 

2 Travel health care insurance compulsory witha detailed health history available at borders

3. Passport id at all borders (favoured already by some Ministers I read)

4. Compulsory travel health screening either prior, at or post passing a border.

All this and whatever else will not be popular but it serves so many other purposes that at the moment politicians can only think to themselves and salivate about. We should be careful. Some of these issues are too important to leave to those too weak to argue against and / or unable to hold each other to account.

For this alone, shame on our current crop. 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Apple said:

Well said. Mr Wright. 

it is a pity this message has not really come across from our Government. 

It's a good job that young people like their phones so much as I think some of the things to come will include:

1. Enforced health care app on mobile phone with locator built in that an not be turned off. 

2 Travel health care insurance compulsory witha detailed health history available at borders

3. Passport id at all borders (favoured already by some Ministers I read)

4. Compulsory travel health screening either prior, at or post passing a border.

All this and whatever else will not be popular but it serves so many other purposes that at the moment politicians can only think to themselves and salivate about. We should be careful. Some of these issues are too important to leave to those too weak to argue against and / or unable to hold each other to account.

For this alone, shame on our current crop. 

 

 

As I said earlier, sitting and doing nothing is not really going to be an option come the New Year. 

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25 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:


And there's no reason to suspect or expect that food supplies will be affected. The food supply chain is a different animal altogether.

And it doesn’t come in containers. 
 

it was a bit tongue-in-cheek. The shortage of some stock did make me think though. Wonder how other local businesses are faring. I’ve stayed well away from our family business since I retired so I’ve not asked there. 

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13 hours ago, Albert Tatlock said:

Yes...a large chunk of visitors...but that can probably be renegotiated with the right mindset.

 

 

 

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No, it’s based on a share of the whole. If the cake is smaller because of the UK take reducing then we get less. Possibly much less.

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30 minutes ago, Apple said:

Well said. Mr Wright. 

it is a pity this message has not really come across from our Government. 

It's a good job that young people like their phones so much as I think some of the things to come will include:

1. Enforced health care app on mobile phone with locator built in that an not be turned off. 

2 Travel health care insurance compulsory witha detailed health history available at borders

3. Passport id at all borders (favoured already by some Ministers I read)

4. Compulsory travel health screening either prior, at or post passing a border.

All this and whatever else will not be popular but it serves so many other purposes that at the moment politicians can only think to themselves and salivate about. We should be careful. Some of these issues are too important to leave to those too weak to argue against and / or unable to hold each other to account.

For this alone, shame on our current crop. 

 

 

That’s very very scary. 
 

1. voluntary

2. you’ve no idea how impossible it is to get Covid cover, especially if you are voluntary. I don’t want any border to have access to my health info, either.

3. absolutely not. What for? That’s just giving politicians control over movement. That’s USSR or DDR

4. no objections, subject to data safe guards, and only in pandemic emergencies.

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50 minutes ago, doc.fixit said:

cheers, it doesn't happen too often thank goodness and thanks for suggestions. I already exercise, work, good diet, vit D and C, fruit, nuts and sex but although living a good life the black descends occasionally and yes, I also worry a great deal about the future for our youth, my seven grandchildren, everyone in fact trying to deal with our brave new world, even while folk around the world try to kill their neighbours, their adopted countrymen and anyone else who disagrees with their religion or other beliefs

It's very hard sometimes to keep going when so many people don't give a fig for others well being.

OK rant over, a nice cup of tea and a hug for my loved ones and try and stay on an even keel until it becomes too much again. Thanks for listening.

It was a brave post you made. I was reminded of the old days of MF where posters occasionally reached out in moments of panic and were listened to and helped by others. It’s good to see it’s still happening. 
 

We all get those 3am moments from time to time when, despite us telling ourselves that everything will be Ok we get that nagging thought of, but what if it isn’t. 
 

Posts like your’s allow us all to look in at our own fears and evaluate them. 
 

So, it’s a big thanks from me Doc. 
 

 

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58 minutes ago, John Wright said:

I don’t think anyone wants to sacrifice you or your wife, or anyone else.

And yes, there are some very thoughtless people out there who by their negligent actions could lead to that result, and there are the Covid deniers whose philosophy and beliefs could have that result also. Both irresponsible in my view.

I look at this personally, as well, Doc. Three years ago, after two years of downward spirals in my health, with multiple infections, constant colds, bruising, bleeds, I was at deaths door, no immune system, sepsis starting. A leukaemia diagnosis followed. I was lucky, I’m in remission. But I did look death in the face.

Until March this year, to every question I asked, I was told my immune system was normal, yes I could have a tattoo, no I wasn’t at risk of mumps, measles, chicken pox, etc. Then, come Covid, all my Drs, Liverpool, Noble’s, GP, were sending me letters saying I was immunocompromised. I had to shield. Self isolate. I challenged this, was told, “well, we don’t know, but it’s for safety” of course, in my profession I know that means it’s defensive medicine to avoid being sued.

What I do know is that since remission and the return of normal blood cell levels I’ve had no colds, ear or gum infections. I’ve been well.

I tried a month of shielding. Then I started weighing up the risks, going to the post box, short shops at quiet times, trips to Peel Breakwater cafe. I felt the balance between life, and risk to me, allowed this and was in my favour. If I got it, I’d probably die. I wasn’t a risk to anyone else, unless I got it and ended up infecting someone treating me. The chance of infection was so very low I discounted it. That may have been selfish.

i consider my risk assessment to be no different to those I take every day, getting up, falling down stairs, driving, getting on a bus, things I’ve been doing all my life. It’s second nature. The difference is that on this issue we’ve been given very alarming information, the quality of which, given that Covid is still new, and a relative unknown,  is defensive and not necessarily science based. But we learn more daily.

Its like HIV/AIDS and the head stones and iceberg adverts in the early 1980’s. But it’s been much more effective in frightening us.

So, in August, I went away and spent 8 weeks in Europe. Again I personally risk assessed. I was careful. I fully isolated on return.

I don’t think you should be “protected” by being forced into isolation or having restrictions imposed on you. You can choose to take your own self protection. So can I  

 

I take my hat off to you John for making the life choices that you have. You’re a braver man than I, I must admit. It’s given me some courage reading this, that after all you’ve been through you’re still getting out there and doing it.  Really refreshing to read. All the very best to you. 

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1 hour ago, Roxanne said:

I take my hat off to you John for making the life choices that you have. You’re a braver man than I, I must admit. It’s given me some courage reading this, that after all you’ve been through you’re still getting out there and doing it.  Really refreshing to read. All the very best to you. 

Thanks. I don’t think I’m brave. I’m being pragmatic.

We’ve all got choices. Mine is right for me. I hope it’s not wrong for anyone else.

I still haven’t screwed up the courage for the post cancer tattoo. Got the designs. Don’t think it’s a risk. I’m squeamish.

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Doc and trmpton both make valid points from different sides of the argument. This neatly demonstrates the practical difficulties we all face with the virus and is a fairly good indicator as to why different countries have different approaches to the problems.

We'll never all agree on the right way forward and without being supportive or critical of IOMG approach, I can safely say that I wouldn't want to have to make the calls they've been making.

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I'm wondering whether the Govt (here and/or the UK) has a plan to deal with the anti-vax lunatics if (and it is IF, not WHEN) a vaccine is available.    Will there be / are there people who might be unable to have a vaccine because of pre-existing health conditions?   If so, how can these people be protected from those who refuse all vaccines (because it's Bill Gates/DNA alteration/5G etc?   

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19 minutes ago, Blackajah said:

I'm wondering whether the Govt (here and/or the UK) has a plan to deal with the anti-vax lunatics if (and it is IF, not WHEN) a vaccine is available.    Will there be / are there people who might be unable to have a vaccine because of pre-existing health conditions?   If so, how can these people be protected from those who refuse all vaccines (because it's Bill Gates/DNA alteration/5G etc?   

I've been wondering the same. I have a chronic health condition for which I see a consultant for in Liverpool twice a year**. In May 2019 he had me have a measles booster primarily due to the anti-vax movement and the subsequent rise in measles cases. We'd need a good uptake, percentage wise, to achieve herd immunity to protect those who *cannot*, as opposed to *will not*, be vaccinated.

 

**Haven't been since Nov 2019 due to corona. I've had to arrange blood tests here, including some specialist ones that have to go to a lab across, for which I'm still waiting on results. When the current batch is ready, I'll have to send the results across via email and then wait for a telephone consultation and specialist meds in the post.

Thankfully my condition is well controlled and should not put me at an increased risk of death should I get the virus. However, the prospect of long covid is a concern as the last thing I need is another chronic condition to manage.

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Howard Quayle has just said that immunity may only last a few months.

That puts his somewhat smug reply to Paul Moulton's question in its place, regarding Howard's coughing and spluttering at last week's Covid briefing.

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