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On 4/22/2020 at 11:23 AM, yootalkin2me said:

It sounds like your friend in Ramsey is pretty fragile and could easily die of the flu or common cold, do we keep lockdown going indefinitely for him/hard and others like them? It's not about money, it's about treating people in hospital who are gravely sick and will die as a result of reduced services for the lockdown, the massive increase in mental ill health, the massive increase of domestic abuse and violence etc etc...but as long as your friend who is most probably at death's door anyway is kept alive then that's ok.

As someone who would be considered to be in the ‘vulnerable’ group, I completely agree with what you say. Lord Sumption has also mentioned this on various occasions. For those who wish to isolate and keep distant etc., they should be assisted in doing so, if it helps them. Personally, I am still looking for anything which doesn’t resemble scaremongering, which informs us of how we can strengthen our immune systems and permits life quality. Who wants to become a centenarian if it means spending thirty years in quarantine?

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1 hour ago, boswellian said:

As someone who would be considered to be in the ‘vulnerable’ group, I completely agree with what you say. Lord Sumption has also mentioned this on various occasions. For those who wish to isolate and keep distant etc., they should be assisted in doing so, if it helps them. Personally, I am still looking for anything which doesn’t resemble scaremongering, which informs us of how we can strengthen our immune systems and permits life quality. Who wants to become a centenarian if it means spending thirty years in quarantine?

Are you my Dad?

Please email Howard Quayle.

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59 minutes ago, boswellian said:

As someone who would be considered to be in the ‘vulnerable’ group, I completely agree with what you say. Lord Sumption has also mentioned this on various occasions. For those who wish to isolate and keep distant etc., they should be assisted in doing so, if it helps them. Personally, I am still looking for anything which doesn’t resemble scaremongering, which informs us of how we can strengthen our immune systems and permits life quality. Who wants to become a centenarian if it means spending thirty years in quarantine?

This is a sane and rational post, thank you. 

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4 hours ago, TheTeapot said:

Same approach to drugs, deterrent sentencing. It's an awful thing to do really, add an extra couple of years onto some 19 year old ecstasy users sentence as a warning to others. That's basically what they're doing in these cases, using people to send a message. 

Surely it is just saying “ if you can’t be trusted to self isolate, we will isolate you in Jurby”

 

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4 hours ago, thesultanofsheight said:

I agree it’s probably the latter. But as I said it’s probably largely down to the fact that the only people policing this seem to be the public in most cases.

Would add that majority people who got caught (from what I read in press) were easy to detect. With this aside the policy is really about protecting wider society. People can accept benfits and risks of traveling now, but just not equitable to take all benefits themselves of traveling, and think they can socialise the risks.

Just to protect the postman or electric reader,... I would also ask people in quaranteen to post note onto the front door. Why should postman doing his rounds not be warned if various houses are meant to quaranteen.   

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11 minutes ago, BenFairfax said:

Just to protect the postman or electric reader,... I would also ask people in quaranteen to post note onto the front door. Why should postman doing his rounds not be warned if various houses are meant to quaranteen.   

I suppose that’s fair. But again back to my point on resourcing compliance rather than relying on public snitchers. Wouldn’t you have thought at some stage someone on the covid team would have realized that we already employ people to knock on the doors of about 80% of the Islands population regularly. Wouldn’t it make sense to give them a list of s/i homes anyway and when out on their rounds ask them to just have a look when they’re delivering letters to see if all seems to be in order? But no we separately pay people largely to chase up on people by phone! Little of it seems to be joined up. 

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21 minutes ago, BenFairfax said:

Would add that majority people who got caught (from what I read in press) were easy to detect. With this aside the policy is really about protecting wider society. People can accept benfits and risks of traveling now, but just not equitable to take all benefits themselves of traveling, and think they can socialise the risks.

Just to protect the postman or electric reader,... I would also ask people in quaranteen to post note onto the front door. Why should postman doing his rounds not be warned if various houses are meant to quaranteen.   

The postman or any other callers don’t really need any notes as if just delivering they put through letterbox or leave at door. Anything else they ring bell so you just tell them through window to leave at door etc , that’s what we did with Tesco etc 

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56 minutes ago, thesultanofsheight said:

Wouldn’t it make sense to give them a list of s/i homes anyway and when out on their rounds ask them to just have a look when they’re delivering letters to see if all seems to be in order?

It makes sense to me, postman comes every day and knows there round, and what is and is not normal. I would still require people to post a note for public confidence. If people have confidence in regulation increases chance border restrictions will be reduce on one hand and more importantly we reduce risk of any onward transmission. In UK tier 3 would have likely worked if only people stuck to rules.

43 minutes ago, Banker said:

Anything else they ring bell so you just tell them through window to leave at door etc , that’s what we did with Tesco etc 

That is what normal people would do, here we are checking for people who think they can personally benefits from travel yet socialize the risks. 

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9 minutes ago, BenFairfax said:

It makes sense to me, postman comes every day and knows there round, and what is and is not normal. I would still require people to post a note for public confidence. If people have confidence in regulation increases chance border restrictions will be reduce on one hand and more importantly we reduce risk of any onward transmission. In UK tier 3 would have likely worked if only people stuck to rules.

That is what normal people would do, here we are checking for people who think they can personally benefits from travel yet socialize the risks. 

Tier three did work, look at the figures.

Boris panicked and went to the latest draconian measures at a time when both “cases” (I still think it’s Biloxi’s you have to be tested to be a case, and can have no symptoms) and deaths were starting to drop anyway.

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11 minutes ago, trmpton said:

Tier three did work, look at the figures.

Boris panicked and went to the latest draconian measures at a time when both “cases” (I still think it’s Biloxi’s you have to be tested to be a case, and can have no symptoms) and deaths were starting to drop anyway.

What figures are you using to base that on? You said something similar the other day too, I was going to ask you about it then. From what I can tell the rate of growth has slowed but there's not much dropping going on.

From yesterday deaths on a 7 day average for the last 3 Saturdays read 167, 259, 333. That's no dropping at all, while positive tests are fairly stable at just over 20000 a day, along with a testing positivity rate of around 8%.

Please feel free to share your source, maybe I'm reading the wrong ones, although I don't think so.

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