IOM Covid removing restrictions

[Cassie2 37]

Who will be the first to get a Covid vaccine?
The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) has examined data on who suffers the worst outcomes from coronavirus and who is at highest risk of death.
Its interim guidance says the order of priority should be:
– Older adults in a care home and care home workers
– All those aged 80 and over and health and social care workers, though they may move up the list
– Anyone 75 and over
– People aged 70 and over
– All those aged 65 and over
– High-risk adults under 65
– Moderate-risk adults under 65
– All those aged 60 and over
– All those 55 and over
– All those aged 50 and over
– The rest of the population, with priority yet to be determined.

[The Old Git 844]

4 hours ago, Andy Onchan said:

https://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2020/11/07/islanders-warned-that-jersey-could-be-heading-for-another-lockdown-as-active-cases-top-100/

18 new cases yesterday. 126 active cases and around 1300 known contacts. They’ve lost control. 

[Nom de plume 1,267]

2 minutes ago, The Old Git said:

18 new cases yesterday. 126 active cases and around 1300 known contacts. They’ve lost control. 

Yep.

Lost control.

The hospital is being overwhelmed.

They are dying on the streets of St. Helier.

[trmpton 1,176]

So about half of the “cases” have symptoms and none are in hospital.

I wonder how many of those with symptoms got tested because they had symptoms and how many got tested for some other reason, found out they were positive and then when asked went “oh, now you mention it, I did have the shits/was a bit warm/sneezed/coughed the other day”

The only statistics we should be interested in our hospital admissions and any deaths.

[Albert Tatlock 11,705]

19 minutes ago, Cassie2 said:

...the order of priority should be:
– Older adults in a care home and care home workers
– All those aged 80 and over and health and social care workers, though they may move up the list
– Anyone 75 and over
– People aged 70 and over
– All those aged 65 and over
– High-risk adults under 65
– Moderate-risk adults under 65
– All those aged 60 and over
– All those 55 and over
– All those aged 50 and over
– The rest of the population, with priority yet to be determined.

So the only 4 healthy working taxpayers we have here are in for a long wait then

Think it should really be only those born here first. Rest can wait.

[Manximus Aururaneus 1,172]

1 minute ago, Albert Tatlock said:

So the only 4 healthy working taxpayers we have here are in for a long wait then

Think it should really be only those born here first. Rest can wait.

Agreed, and they should be vaccinated with home-grown vaccine from IOM. 😀

[Black Mirror 73]

48 minutes ago, Roxanne said:

I do wonder why the plan to vaccinate is back to front.  I know it's tradition and all but wouldn't it be better to vaccinate the ones who want to get out of lockdown and get back to work?  Wouldn't it also be better for the economy that everyone keeps banging on about?

ETA - And the medics of course.

I'm one of the vulnerable (but not elderly - no way!) but it's quite easy for me to hide myself away and only come out when it's all over. I'd far rather my son got mine tbh and I'm sure other (not elderly) folks might feel the same.

I'd love to know the reasoning behind the elderly first and look forward to being educated forthwith.

 

 

Roxanne:

Once you have vaccinated the 20 million of UK people who are more at risk from Covid, the pandemic is practically over, because its is among those 20 million that you have 98% of deaths.

There is no point vaccinating those for whom Covid is little more than a cold. At this stage at the least.

In the future, a Covid vaccination may be extended further, but, for the time being, there are still so many unknown about those vaccines, that a focused vaccination program is the best way to proceed. Of course, those who have particular concern or exposure about Covid should be allowed to have the vaccine, if that is what they want.

Note that Ashford made it very clear that vaccination is going to be entirely voluntary. I had expected nothing else than that position (see my previous few postings on this issue). Quayle and Ashford have their own limits, and personally I don't like them much, but they are neither crazy nor reckless nor despots.

 

[jaymann 634]

21 minutes ago, Nom de plume said:

Yep.

Lost control.

The hospital is being overwhelmed.

They are dying on the streets of St. Helier.

Exactly. I think we need to accept that it can only be classified as 'out of control' when them 0's start ticking up and deaths become a real issue.

If people are just getting infected and harmlessly recovering, then great. There is still so much that can be done in terms of mitigating spread around testing.

A figure I heard the other day is that there's 2,800 students due to return the Isle of Man before Christmas and this could result in up to 9000 people self-isolation IF whole housholds had to isolate. Obviously you can whittle that down as any will go self-catering instead, but even half that figure and we'd still have plenty self-isolating IF whole housholds had to, which they don't?

[tetchtyke 264]

49 minutes ago, Roxanne said:

Thanks but I already knew that. To make it clearer, why can't the vulnerable and the elderly isolate themselves and let the working population crack on - if getting the economy started again is so very important?

Some undoubtedly can. Vulnerable people but who remain mobile can shield. But what about those who are vulnerable and require care, either at home or in a care home?

Do all the staff have to shield too? What about their immediate family? Do they have to shield? The DHSC employs about 3500 people, not all are patient facing but a lot are, or work with people who are patient facing.

This is the issue, it's not just "the vulnerable", it's everyone who is employed to look after them and their families too.

[Nom de plume 1,267]

11 minutes ago, jaymann said:

Exactly. I think we need to accept that it can only be classified as 'out of control' when them 0's start ticking up and deaths become a real issue.

If people are just getting infected and harmlessly recovering, then great. There is still so much that can be done in terms of mitigating spread around testing.

A figure I heard the other day is that there's 2,800 students due to return the Isle of Man before Christmas and this could result in up to 9000 people self-isolation IF whole housholds had to isolate. Obviously you can whittle that down as any will go self-catering instead, but even half that figure and we'd still have plenty self-isolating IF whole housholds had to, which they don't?

There are only around 600 - 800 students away this term & the lions share are home already.

[The Dog's Dangly Bits 1,710]

The lions share are not home already.  And it's over 900.  

[Cambon 1,019]

1 hour ago, Roxanne said:

Thanks but I already knew that. To make it clearer, why can't the vulnerable and the elderly isolate themselves and let the working population crack on - if getting the economy started again is so very important?

Because as soon as they come into contact with someone who has it, and they will, they will get it. Bad, as the elderly do. So, protect them with vaccination and let the rest get back to work. 

[Albert Tatlock 11,705]

4 minutes ago, Nom de plume said:

There are only around 600 - 800 students away this term & the lions share are home already.

Why would they already be back if they've only been over there 6 to 8 weeks?

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/more-than-90-of-students-planning-christmas-return/

The plan is for most students to travel 3rd to 9th December, post-lockdown.

BBC News - Covid: How will university students go home for Christmas?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-54195756

[tetchtyke 264]

3 minutes ago, Albert Tatlock said:

Why would they already be back if they've only been over there 6 to 8 weeks?

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/more-than-90-of-students-planning-christmas-return/

The plan is for most students to travel 3rd to 9th December, post-lockdown.

BBC News - Covid: How will university students go home for Christmas?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-54195756

They've been coming back in dribs and drabs for weeks. Why? Because their learning is mainly or entirely online, and if they come back and do their two weeks then they get to go to the pub with their friends afterwards.

I'm mystified that more haven't come back, to be quite honest.

The risky ones are the ones who aren't coming back until late December. They're not going to socially distance on Christmas Day, are they now? And good luck finding accommodation for them, even the Comis aren't taking self-isolating people now.

Edited November 11, 2020 by tetchtyke

[NoTailT 375]

Not to throw fire on todays rumour mill but I did hear from an old colleague that someone who works at Nobles has tested positive today, pending second test and it looks to be a case of community infection.

Seems she got frisky with someone who was positive...

Hopefully it turns out to be false result. But I know of two people that have been part of contact tracing this afternoon as a result too.