Cambon Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 1 hour ago, NoTailT said: A tradie working in a nursing home was sent home from working there today because his good lady has tested positive. I think Allinson and his 'not if but when' is really a sign of things to come but hopefully they prove to be false positive. I think most people are thinking it will be in the community by Christmas, with students to blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yootalkin2me Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Andy Onchan said: From the outset I always thought that the level of asymptomatics would be much higher than was being reported, simply because of the lack of testing (UK in particular). Had these folk been identified earlier then they would have had to isolate. No questions or excuses. If asymptomatics are found outside of isolation then they deserve to get the book thrown at them. It's such a deadly virus you need to be tested to see if you have it...lol Edited November 11, 2020 by yootalkin2me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham_N_Eggs Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 21 minutes ago, yootalkin2me said: It's such a deadly virus you need to be tested to see if you have it...lol Yes, tell that to the 595 people that died in the UK in the last 24 hours. Oh wait you can't. Before you start (because I've heard this a lot) yes people die every day and yes these people would have died anyway but for virtually all them that day wouldn't have been yesterday. Further I also am aware that lots of people died of other things yesterday but if the pandemic gets further out of hand and hospital admissions continue to grow (now above first wave levels in the North of England) then hospitals will close down to non-Covid patients and even more unnecessary deaths will occur. So yeah...LOL 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 39 minutes ago, yootalkin2me said: It's such a deadly virus you need to be tested to see if you have it...lol This is such a retarded argument. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmpton Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: This is such a retarded argument. Sort of. It is indeed a deadly virus for some. But it also a fact that huge numbers of people who contract it, would never know unless they are tested. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 54 minutes ago, yootalkin2me said: It's such a deadly virus you need to be tested to see if you have it...lol Like HIV for example. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaymann Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Gov have clarified The cases have been identified through the contact tracing process and relate to an existing COVID-19 case that arose from off-Island travel. Contact tracing has been completed, although some test results from high risk contacts are still awaited. https://t.co/ky4f5GjPqk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Contact tracing of an existing case that came from off Island and they’re positive? So does that mean these 2 new cases were community transmission then if it came about through contact tracing? Based on what I’ve heard from multiple people today, this really doesn’t stack up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 I love this ‘note to editors’ by gov As all seven of the Islands active cases have a clear, traceable chain of transmission related to off-Island travel, these do not count as community transmissions. so, we have an index case that has clearly caused a community transmission but because it’s traceable to someone who had off-Island travel and they’re now isolating with their household, it’s a self isolating case. LOVED @rachomicscomment on this whereby every case Mar-Jun would be contacts of contacts of contacts of people who travelled off Island and therefore not community cases. What a bloody mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Can anyone explain why there's tge hysteria about whether there's community cases or not? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, NoTailT said: Contact tracing of an existing case that came from off Island and they’re positive? So does that mean these 2 new cases were community transmission then if it came about through contact tracing? Based on what I’ve heard from multiple people today, this really doesn’t stack up. I have to say I too am struggling to understand how people who clearly caught it away, who came back on a communal boat or plane with other people, who got on a communal bus, in a communal taxi, or in a communal car with family or friends and then went home, and who were subsequently traced from common communal contacts who had the infection are not counted as communal cases. It seems that the minute you go home and shut your door your not in the community anymore despite the fact you picked up the infection in the community and others you interacted with have caught it too. Edited November 11, 2020 by thesultanofsheight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 8 minutes ago, NoTailT said: I love this ‘note to editors’ by gov As all seven of the Islands active cases have a clear, traceable chain of transmission related to off-Island travel, these do not count as community transmissions. so, we have an index case that has clearly caused a community transmission but because it’s traceable to someone who had off-Island travel and they’re now isolating with their household, it’s a self isolating case. LOVED @rachomicscomment on this whereby every case Mar-Jun would be contacts of contacts of contacts of people who travelled off Island and therefore not community cases. What a bloody mess. The who definition is clear. There is no community transmission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, thommo2010 said: Can anyone explain why there's tge hysteria about whether there's community cases or not? I think because if people think it’s not “on the loose” they can’t catch it so they can sit at home polishing their pitchfork for another week. Edited November 11, 2020 by thesultanofsheight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, thommo2010 said: Can anyone explain why there's tge hysteria about whether there's community cases or not? Yes. The perception or myth being peddled is that anyone that has tested positive for the virus in the last few weeks have got off the boat or plane and self isolated for 14 days only testing positive if they’d asked to be tested during that time. A community case suggests that the person carrying the virus had mixed with potentially hundreds of others without knowing they had it before developing symptoms and testing positive. They are night and day. Edited November 11, 2020 by Nom de plume Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaymann Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 (edited) I must say, if we are going down this track then I don't believe we can call many of our cases 'community' transmissions from earlier this year when they were phrased as such. It does seem to be a matter of when the shoe fits. Either way, these do appear to be cases of on-Island transmission. Edited November 11, 2020 by jaymann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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