IOM Covid removing restrictions

[Banker]

1 hour ago, pongo said:

The simple fact is that it's whole households who should be isolating if anyone in that household has travelled. The Chamber of Commerce member survey showed 75% support for that.

A lot of people are still making completely unnecessary trips away. 

Everything will quickly get back to normal just as soon as everyone can be vaccinated.

Yes and also wanted testing on arrival and shorter quarantine so assume you want all chamber recommendations implemented?

[The Dog's Dangly Bits]

30 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

Not on a VPN, just not logged into Facebook.  They've obviously set it up assuming you are - not a good idea if you're using open accounts that anyone can browse for communication.

Still it saves us all from the sight of Howie in his nightshirt (Gef will be sad).

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Edited November 11, 2020 by The Dog's Dangly Bits

[The Dog's Dangly Bits]

31 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

Not on a VPN, just not logged into Facebook.  They've obviously set it up assuming you are - not a good idea if you're using open accounts that anyone can browse for communication.

Still it saves us all from the sight of Howie in his nightshirt (Gef will be sad).

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Edited November 11, 2020 by The Dog's Dangly Bits

[The Dog's Dangly Bits]

30 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

Not on a VPN, just not logged into Facebook.  They've obviously set it up assuming you are - not a good idea if you're using open accounts that anyone can browse for communication.

Still it saves us all from the sight of Howie in his nightshirt (Gef will be sad).

You're wrong. In a nut shell.

[Roger Mexico]

The official press release, shown in full by Manx Radio among others is quick to claim  they "do not count as community transmission as defined by the World Health Organisation."

But this seems to be disingenuous at best, because if you look at this definition from WHO:

Community transmission: Countries/area/territories experiencing larger outbreaks of local transmission defined through an assessment of factors including, but not limited to:

- Large numbers of cases not linkable to transmission chains

- Large numbers of cases from sentinel lab surveillance

- Multiple unrelated clusters in several areas of the country/territory/area

It's clear that this is about the level that the infection is at a country level - not how you define how any individual case was acquired. 

[thesultanofsheight]

Looks like even the best are confused 

[Out of the blue]

7 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

The official press release, shown in full by Manx Radio among others is quick to claim  they "do not count as community transmission as defined by the World Health Organisation."

But this seems to be disingenuous at best, because if you look at this definition from WHO:

Community transmission: Countries/area/territories experiencing larger outbreaks of local transmission defined through an assessment of factors including, but not limited to:

- Large numbers of cases not linkable to transmission chains

- Large numbers of cases from sentinel lab surveillance

- Multiple unrelated clusters in several areas of the country/territory/area

It's clear that this is about the level that the infection is at a country level - not how you define how any individual case was acquired. 

I understand and agree with your specific point, however it would appear that our government has used the above WHO factors as a guide when classifying 'Manx' community transmission, which is entirely understandable given the WHO did not write definitions that align to a small self governing island like ours, and as such I would concur with Ashford and Co, that we still do not have community transmission. It is all a mute point however, because as I said earlier, as long as long as it remains traceable there is no issue.

[quilp]

I got to wondering about vaccines, and whether those who had been vaccinated were, or could be infectious to others if they'd come into contact with a carrier, whether that carrier was asymptomatic or not. Seems likely that it could be the case. Something else not known about Covid vaccination recipients. Maybe @rachomics or @wrighty

could provide some detail..? 

[Banker]

No one believes anything Howie comes out with , his constant refusal to publish advice on borders policy is a disgrace . Now he’s changing definitions to suit his blinkered view that IOM is COVID free as no community transmission and using that as excuse to ban Manx family members from visiting IOM.

[PaulJ]

1 minute ago, Banker said:

No one believes anything Howie comes out with

If only that was true

[thesultanofsheight]

5 minutes ago, Banker said:

No one believes anything Howie comes out with 

It’s not HQ specifically it’s Cabinet Office denialism. They seem to be just as scared as the Facebook Karen’s and very deeply entrenched. 

Edited November 11, 2020 by thesultanofsheight

[Uhtred]

Whether you accept, or not, that the current situation here constitutes, or not, ‘community transmission’, this is almost an incidental matter. What is indisputable is that Quayle and his government are partial with the truth, opaque, unwilling to evidence or account for their actions, hostile to reasonable requests for clarification or information, shockingly bad at communication, and dismissive of alternative views, even when expressed by seasoned professionals. These are the matters that should exercise our alarm. It’s shocking.

[AcousticallyChallenged]

The problem is, there's no actual transparency to it, and we're at a stage where we need that.

We can't just fumble under the rug and massage things to be the way they need to be to fit a narrative.

If the virus is coming back, even in a small way, tell people. Nobody even sanitises their hands walking into Shoprite now, and it'd be a good kick up the bottom to not be complacent.

[Roger Mexico]

22 minutes ago, Out of the blue said:

I understand and agree with your specific point, however it would appear that our government has used the above WHO factors as a guide when classifying 'Manx' community transmission, which is entirely understandable given the WHO did not write definitions that align to a small self governing island like ours

I think you're being too generous.What they are doing is reverting to the classification of the origin of cases that they used in the spring.  If I remember correctly this was:

If someone had had known close contact with someone already diagnosed, they were classified as 'Close Contact'

Otherwise if they have been off-Island they were classified as 'Travel'.

If not that it was classified as 'Community Transmission'

The latter made up about 40% of cases in the spring.

This is clearly very different from the way that WHO define it, the only link is that once community transmission happens in the WHO sense, you would expect to see the number of community transmission cases rise and test and trace became overwhelmed and it became more difficult to find where someone caught it.

[NoTail]

I see this as an opportunity.  We are a small community,  with good communication we can identify quickly all contacts, trace and test, and eradicate the outbreak. To do this would mean support from all, and I think that would be willingly given if the opportunity was available.