thesultanofsheight Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, NoTail said: I see this as an opportunity. We are a small community, with good communication we can identify quickly all contacts, trace and test, and eradicate the outbreak. To do this would mean support from all, and I think that would be willingly given if the opportunity was available. Yes a good old witch hunt is exactly what we need and what will be prescribed by government. Crank all the nutters up into a hysterical rage and let’s flush out anyone who has been somewhere else ever or anyone who knows anyone who has been somewhere else ever and put them in a quarantine hotel for 6 months! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 41 minutes ago, Uhtred said: Whether you accept, or not, that the current situation here constitutes, or not, ‘community transmission’, this is almost an incidental matter. What is indisputable is that Quayle and his government are partial with the truth, opaque, unwilling to evidence or account for their actions, hostile to reasonable requests for clarification or information, shockingly bad at communication, and dismissive of alternative views, even when expressed by seasoned professionals. These are the matters that should exercise our alarm. It’s shocking. [applause] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog's Dangly Bits Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, thesultanofsheight said: Yes a good old witch hunt is exactly what we need and what will be prescribed by government. Crank all the nutters up into a hysterical rage and let’s flush out anyone who has been somewhere else ever or anyone who knows anyone who has been somewhere else ever and put them in a quarantine hotel for 6 months! It actually feels like some people on here are almost desperate for community cases. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham_N_Eggs Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 44 minutes ago, Uhtred said: Whether you accept, or not, that the current situation here constitutes, or not, ‘community transmission’, this is almost an incidental matter. What is indisputable is that Quayle and his government are partial with the truth, opaque, unwilling to evidence or account for their actions, hostile to reasonable requests for clarification or information, shockingly bad at communication, and dismissive of alternative views, even when expressed by seasoned professionals. These are the matters that should exercise our alarm. It’s shocking. Given what I have heard about this little group of cases and how things are being run up at Noble's the senior hospital management will have a lot of questions to answer over the upcoming days. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said: It actually feels like some people on here are almost desperate for community cases. Just some honesty would be a good start. if we have em, lets deal with em and let the public know we have em so we can decide as individuals if we wish to take any precautionary care in the weeks to follow. Maybe be more diligent in use of sanitiser or whatever it may be. We need the govt to be open and transparent, it’s the only way thru this. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 1 hour ago, AcousticallyChallenged said: The problem is... ...nobody even sanitises their hands walking into Shoprite now... Not entirely true, I was there Tuesday and joined a small queue who were doing just that. I also use a big fucking dollop to sanitise the handle of the basket before using it, as did the woman behind me. As I've said before, us old and vulnerables haven't stopped going (quietly and non-hysterically) about our business, carefully sticking to the guidelines. Even in these times of wilful complacency and pig-fucking-ignorance it's easy to keep the supposedly 'safe' distance without the slightest panic. As soon as this administration finally admit to there being cases in the community the one-time masks will be back in use too. Odds-on, 50+ community cases by end of January. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, quilp said: Odds-on, 50+ community cases by end of January. Before that I think! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, Max Power said: Before that I think! Community cases? No. on-island cross infection? Yes. cant wait to see IOM Gov Social media updates in Jan. Total active cases: Community - 0, Hospital - 4, Isolated individual (non-community) - 77, On-Island but doesn’t own a toaster - 4, On-Island but doesn’t drink Bushys - 17, On-Island but definitely not community - 50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 49 minutes ago, quilp said: Not entirely true, I was there Tuesday and joined a small queue who were doing just that. I also use a big fucking dollop to sanitise the handle of the basket before using it, as did the woman behind me. As I've said before, us old and vulnerables haven't stopped going (quietly and non-hysterically) about our business, carefully sticking to the guidelines. Even in these times of wilful complacency and pig-fucking-ignorance it's easy to keep the supposedly 'safe' distance without the slightest panic. As soon as this administration finally admit to there being cases in the community the one-time masks will be back in use too. Odds-on, 50+ community cases by end of January. Yes, people are still sanitising on going into shops, I saw it today in Tesco. However, we are told in one breath not to be complacent, then in another are not being provided with clear unequivocal information seemingly to maintain the covid-free status which beats our biosphere status and the various areas of special scientific interest on the world beating stage. The delay in the release of stats today just unnerves and makes you wonder if the reason was to shoehorn cases into the non-community definition. It is possibly a vain hope, but if we are treated as adults rather than children who must be shielded from some of life's inescapable truths, perhaps the response will be more mature. Personally, I am more unnerved by the lack of clear information and the feeling of spin, than I am of the possibility that covid is "in the community" again. It doesn't have to be information that could identify anyone, just honesty and reassurance that measures such as track and trace are in hand and that they are on top of it. Or, tbh, yep, we are worried that it is out there so please increase your vigilance and take steps to protect yourself while we figure this out. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Sounds like we’re still going for the impossible dream which hasn’t and won’t work! https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/iom-still-adopting-eradication-policy-allinson/?fbclid=IwAR2rxqAafRxKxxs05tlXySC8NAnJBxPQjtWI3IqxoSkQoF93l5Qlua-Tn5g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog's Dangly Bits Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Well the problem really is that the words "community case" will invoke irrational melt down of many people. Possibly more importantly many companies will panic (,(we saw this with Zurich etc recently) and send everyone back to working from home. Causing further unnecessary damage to the economy. I would much prefer we were not told the truth really. It's only going to escalate numbers wise in the coming month as students return. I'll be surprised if the whole household isn't forced into isolation for returning students. Many finance sector companies have that policy anyway (keeping you away from work for two weeks if you have someone returning from the uk) so the only real challenge with that is key workers (and those who cannot work from home) on island i would imagine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said: Well the problem really is that the words "community case" will invoke irrational melt down of many people. Possibly more importantly many companies will panic (,(we saw this with Zurich etc recently) and send everyone back to working from home. Causing further unnecessary damage to the economy. I would much prefer we were not told the truth really. It's only going to escalate numbers wise in the coming month as students return. I'll be surprised if the whole household isn't forced into isolation for returning students. Many finance sector companies have that policy anyway (keeping you away from work for two weeks if you have someone returning from the uk) so the only real challenge with that is key workers (and those who cannot work from home) on island i would imagine. I agree with much of this other than having the truth held back. Be careful what you wish for. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Nom de plume said: I agree with much of this other than having the truth held back. Be careful what you wish for. I agree trying to stop the nutters melting down is no excuse for not telling the public the truth. But the strategy being adopted makes it clear that calming the Facebook Karen’s down is the overriding objective and strategy of our government. It has been from the start leading to a huge perceived lack of honesty from those who understand the issues and just want to be kept informed so they can best manage their own risks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog's Dangly Bits Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 The amount of paranoid nutters government are having to deal with over this must be enormously time consuming. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 (edited) When did the policy shift from virus mitigation to eradication as Dr. Allinson gently slipped in yesterday on the radio? Edited November 12, 2020 by Nom de plume 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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