IOM Covid removing restrictions

[trmpton 1,176]

13 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

Presumably a long time ago when they discovered that virus eradication locally was possible and brought all sort of benefits, while virus mitigation has probed to be pretty much impossible everywhere (I'd be genuinely interested to know what countries/areas people think have been able achieve a constant low level of in-community cases).  Instead countries have needed to  impose strong lockdown measures that suppress infection almost entirely (as we saw in the UK) which then have to be repeated all over again.

I know I keep saying this, but you can't have a little bit of an epidemic anymore than you can be a little bit pregnant.  

Well let’s see.  Guernsey had a cases in the wild that led to at least 8 others and controlled it.

Sounds like we have had similar (although we know the source) and hopefully have caught and contained it.

Jersey have “cases” found through testing but about half have no symptoms and are all now isolating and none in hospital.

It doesn’t have to be all or nothing.  It’s relieving to hear Dr Allison confirming the obvious that it’s a case of if and not when, and that we need measures in place.  Also David Ashford confirming that he is an advocate of more testing

I hope that slowly common sense will see through and HQ will face more resistance to what is more and more starting to look like a policy based on his own views.

[Banker 1,412]

Testing 3 times in isolation of 10 days seems a good policy therefore no chance of Isle of Man adopting it!!

https://www.channel103.com/news/jersey-news/red-arrival-isolation-rules-to-be-eased/

[Roger Mexico 9,825]

12 minutes ago, trmpton said:

Well let’s see.  Guernsey had a cases in the wild that led to at least 8 others and controlled it.

Sounds like we have had similar (although we know the source) and hopefully have caught and contained it.

A policy of local eradication doesn't mean that there won't be local clusters sometimes, just that you control and contain them rigorously when they happen.  This seems to have happened with the latest one in Guernsey, but they were  more open about it.  Not as open as they could be - New Zealand will happily say that someone infect was at such a place at such times, so people will know if they could have been in casual contact, though they don't name individuals.  

[Roger Mexico 9,825]

3 minutes ago, Banker said:

Testing 3 times in isolation of 10 days seems a good policy therefore no chance of Isle of Man adopting it!!

https://www.channel103.com/news/jersey-news/red-arrival-isolation-rules-to-be-eased/

Actually it's a bad idea (effectively reducing quarantine from 14 to 10 days), though I suppose you could argue that Jersey is itself a red zone under its own rules.  But when viral prevalence is so high, the 5-10% who only test positive in the 10-14 day period won't be anywhere like zero.  More testing is good, but they may be doing that anyway.

[Gladys 7,368]

2 hours ago, trmpton said:

David Ashford on Manx Radio stating he believes  data from 7/10 or 14 day testing would be useful, but then going on to say the test is unpleasant and he doesn’t think they would get much take up.

Jesus.  Seems to be everyone apart from HQ and a few on here agree with the rest of the world and building some useful data.

Not sure the health minister should really be saying things that might put people off volunteering for a test either 

He also said there were legal difficulties around mandatory testing.  There are several responses to that. 

[trmpton 1,176]

1 minute ago, Gladys said:

He also said there were legal difficulties around mandatory testing.  There are several responses to that. 

Yep.  If you want to travel you agree to testing.  Plenty of other countries doing it and we are meant to be a small government who can react quickly and nimbly to changing circumstances.

The quote from the guy at fedelta summed it up for me.  His staff member refused a test by 111 because it don’t fit all the boxes they need to tick, depots the company offering to pay and us Harley testing anyone when we apparently have loads of spare capacity.

[BenFairfax 119]

7 minutes ago, Gladys said:

He also said there were legal difficulties around mandatory testing.  There are several responses to that. 

It medical ethics, the medics detail the risk and the patient who takes the risk decides. I am waiting by phone and be down doctors like shot when I get call and telling others to do same thing.  

[NoTailT 375]

Just heard 111 / Track &  Trace are busy today - two filipino women went to a party and have tested positive.

Edited November 12, 2020 by NoTailT

[Apple 883]

28 minutes ago, trmpton said:

Yep.  If you want to travel you agree to testing.  Plenty of other countries doing it and we are meant to be a small government who can react quickly and nimbly to changing circumstances.

Has that been confirmed yet please?

[slinkydevil 4,889]

31 minutes ago, trmpton said:

 

The quote from the guy at fedelta summed it up for me.  His staff member refused a test by 111 because it don’t fit all the boxes they need to tick, depots the company offering to pay and us Harley testing anyone when we apparently have loads of spare capacity.

I reckon it was sorted out, away from meddling DHSC interference

[forestboy 712]

12 minutes ago, NoTailT said:

Just heard 111 / Track &  Trace are busy today - two filipino women went to a party and have tested positive.

Hope they weren’t working at hospital or any care home. 

[Gladys 7,368]

38 minutes ago, trmpton said:

Yep.  If you want to travel you agree to testing.  

Or if you work with vulnerable and sick people. 

[trmpton 1,176]

14 minutes ago, Apple said:

Has that been confirmed yet please?

No.  It’s what they should have done Months ago but havent

[Apple 883]

2 minutes ago, trmpton said:

No.  It’s what they should have done Months ago but havent

Thanks.

I think there will be this and other measures introduced here on the back of our Covid experience. 

28 minutes ago, NoTailT said:

Just heard 111 / Track &  Trace are busy today - two filipino women went to a party and have tested positive.

How on earth can they track everyone who may have been at the party or had been in contact with them before, during and after. Lets assume the T and T people are good at this.

[trmpton 1,176]

12 minutes ago, Apple said:

Thanks.

I think there will be this and other measures introduced here on the back of our Covid experience. 

How on earth can they track everyone who may have been at the party or had been in contact with them before, during and after. Lets assume the T and T people are good at this.

Easy.  We are a quick and nimble jurisdiction who can react quickly to changing environments and utilise our world class IT and telecoms sector to roll out a world beating track and trace app in advance of when the virus inevitably returns, and so be able to quickly identify and test any possible high risk contacts.  We will be the envy of the world because we can still allow some freedoms and be confident that if there is an outbreak we can react effectively.  We have had months to sort it out after all 

Oh wait. No, sorry.  What was I thinking.  We have no way of knowing who has been where when and no social distancing.  We will just reply on being COVID free for ever more.

Edited November 12, 2020 by trmpton