IOM Covid removing restrictions

[Barlow 915]

2 hours ago, trmpton said:

Not sure that’s fair

It was obvious it was coming and loads of kids have left uni early.  To suggest some sort of internal government ploy seems beyond far fetched and reasonable.

If I had kids away I would have got them gone by now and have no inside knowledge at all.

If I had kids at uni or going to uni I would have said don't go in the first place, take a year out.

Not in hindsight. It was obvious at the time. 

[Roger Mexico 9,764]

15 minutes ago, Scotty said:

Is that meant to be funny ? RM thought so but really?

Unfortunately there isn't a response emoji for "Pained yelp of laughter when realising something is comically exaggerated, completely ridiculous, and will probably happen by Monday".

[asitis 5,751]

2 hours ago, NoTailT said:

lets not forget that all time classic

"I have always set out to be honest with you." - Howard Quayle, 12th November 2020

Has he not managed to work "commercially confidential" in there somewhere ?

[NoTailT 375]

2 minutes ago, asitis said:

Has he not managed to work "commercially confidential" in there somewhere ?

It’s a presser, not an uncomfortable FOI you don’t want to reply to.

[AcousticallyChallenged 1,185]

1 hour ago, Scotty said:

Is that meant to be funny ? RM thought so but really?

I wish it was in jest, but when your governmental health-related procurement turns into a willy waggling contest because of hurt feelings, you do have to ask questions.

[Scotty 495]

9 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said:

I wish it was in jest, but when your governmental health-related procurement turns into a willy waggling contest because of hurt feelings, you do have to ask questions.

Whatever.

[rachomics 1,000]

20 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said:

I wish it was in jest, but when your governmental health-related procurement turns into a willy waggling contest because of hurt feelings, you do have to ask questions.

I'd say that's a good reason to have more women in politics. 

[Gladys 7,275]

15 minutes ago, Scotty said:

Whatever.

Really?  Do you not think there is a pile of crap being fed to us now?  Not being able to pay for testing to be sure your business can remain safe, contorted definitions of the prevalence, or not, of the virus, funny goings on with testing and the supply of the reagents, an admitted shift from protection to eradication?  

And today, we had the term vires thrown around, when there are emergency vires readily available.   

Look it up vires is very different from virus. 

[Scotty 495]

7 minutes ago, Gladys said:

Really?  Do you not think there is a pile of crap being fed to us now?  Not being able to pay for testing to be sure your business can remain safe, contorted definitions of the prevalence, or not, of the virus, funny goings on with testing and the supply of the reagents, an admitted shift from protection to eradication?  

And today, we had the term vires thrown around, when there are emergency vires readily available.   

Look it up vires is very different from virus. 

Hate do argue with you Gladys as I have always admired your postings. I am no expert, I have no scientific knowledge, am not a statistician, but I just believe that our Government are doing their best for all. What they do affects them too. Can’t understand why so many people want to pick holes in everything they do or say. I couldn’t do their job and apart from about two posters on here, nobody else would have enough insight to improve what I consider a very safe place right now.

[rachomics 1,000]

3 minutes ago, Scotty said:

Hate do argue with you Gladys as I have always admired your postings. I am no expert, I have no scientific knowledge, am not a statistician, but I just believe that our Government are doing their best for all. What they do affects them too. Can’t understand why so many people want to pick holes in everything they do or say. I couldn’t do their job and apart from about two posters on here, nobody else would have enough insight to improve what I consider a very safe place right now.

It's a safe place right now because of the Manx people, not the Manx politicians. None of us want to be "the person who brought it back" so we isolate and make sure we don't transmit the virus by being extra careful. That's not down to the politicians at all. I don't understand why people seem to attribute it to them. 

[Apple 883]

6 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

That's all true of course, but the real problem here is a cultural one.  Surgeons of your generation will have been trained in a very different way from the old 'consultant as god' ones, where mistakes could never be admitted so as to keep the egos inflated.  Mistakes are now to be learned from; data used to supplement experience; systems implemented to stop avoidable errors; patients treated like people not compliant lumps of meat.

https://www.rcseng.ac.uk/patient-care/surgical-staff-and-regulation/surgical-outcomes/

This is an example of what should be routine, but isn't here on the island. (posted in response to teachers dispute thread).

The comments in Leg Co recently indicate the problem on the island for so long in that some medical staff have had their own way for so long with no real management accountability. 

Next week's Tynwald questions include complaints and Datix information and how that can be used to assist in complaints from patients and families although rarely does a complaint not have some organisational failure element to it.

I know some people would never criticise medical staff for anything but they do need calling to account for the public services they are required to provide and the quality of those services. It is sometimes not as straightforward as sometimes made out on here.

[finlo 4,876]

4 minutes ago, rachomics said:

It's a safe place right now because of the Manx people, not the Manx politicians. None of us want to be "the person who brought it back" so we isolate and make sure we don't transmit the virus by being extra careful. That's not down to the politicians at all. I don't understand why people seem to attribute it to them. 

Dilli holds them in a god like esteem christ knows why!

[Gladys 7,275]

5 minutes ago, Scotty said:

Hate do argue with you Gladys as I have always admired your postings. I am no expert, I have no scientific knowledge, am not a statistician, but I just believe that our Government are doing their best for all. What they do affects them too. Can’t understand why so many people want to pick holes in everything they do or say. I couldn’t do their job and apart from about two posters on here, nobody else would have enough insight to improve what I consider a very safe place right now.

Thank you for the polite reply.  It is very safe, but the problem is many of us want to see a definitive plan and honest answers.  It isn't hard, a few bare truths would be very helpful and actually get people like me behind them.  But, it ain't happening. 

The big issue for me is the apparent lack of honest and direct answers.  We are deluded if we think this will never impact again, but let's face up to it.

[finlo 4,876]

1 minute ago, Gladys said:

Thank you for the polite reply.  It is very safe, but the problem is many of us want to see a definitive plan and honest answers.  It isn't hard, a few bare truths would be very helpful and actually get people like me behind them.  But, it ain't happening. 

The big issue for me is the apparent lack of honest and direct answers.  We are deluded if we think this will never impact again, but let's face up to it.

The fact is they're starstruck and don't want anyone to burst their bubble!

[AcousticallyChallenged 1,185]

1 hour ago, Scotty said:

Whatever.

Realistically, much like other posters, the general impression we get is that there isn't any form of long term plan or goal into resolving things.

Whilst the situation is an ever evolving one, the spot we're in is comparatively easy but a lot of people would like some clarity on how that is likely to change or evolve, not to have a feeling that policy is being implemented at the drop of a hat after being ignored for however long.

This is further compounded by PR issues such as those with Dr Glover, reagents, conflicting statements and anonymous letters which further undermine what people have done.

Whilst we are very lucky to be in our bubble, it cannot last forever, and some clarity to how that will open up is strongly needed.

Edited November 13, 2020 by AcousticallyChallenged