IOM Covid removing restrictions

[tetchtyke 261]

25 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

Remember that property ownership qualifies you as well.  So it doesn't have to be your main residence, providing you own it.

No, it has to be only or principal residence. Second/holiday home owners do not count as Manx residents. Some may apply as Manx residents, but they shouldn't, because they're not.

New owners have to show they're buying a property and that the intention is for it to become their main home.

In reality it's bloody hard for the government to check if it's a second home, unless someone snitches, as they'll have all the usual ID (rates bill, deeds, utility bill, etc) when asked. But second home owners shouldn't be getting treated as Manx residents for Covid rules because they're not.

[All Right 50]

31 minutes ago, tetchtyke said:

In reality it's bloody hard for the government to check if it's a second home, unless someone snitches, as they'll have all the usual ID (rates bill, deeds, utility bill, etc) when asked. But second home owners shouldn't be getting treated as Manx residents for Covid rules because they're not.

It isn’t really. I know someone who ‘returned’ whose house here had been let out for at least 10 years prior to covid. I’d have thought it would be pretty easy for government to prove it wasn’t their main residence as someone else had been living in it for at least 5 years paying them rent which they were taxed on while they lived in the UK. At the same time we’re barring Manx born people from coming back because they weren’t rich enough to buy a house before they had to leave. It doesn’t stack up. 

[Kopek 2,091]

I think there are more important aspects of Lockdown/restrictions/border closures to concentrate on than second home owners!!!

[Boris Johnson 597]

13 minutes ago, Kopek said:

I think there are more important aspects of Lockdown/restrictions/border closures to concentrate on than second home owners!!!

Its the first time I have seen Manx people trying to stop others from climbing INTO the basket...............

[Max Power 6,346]

Just for amusement...

[pongo 4,335]

11 hours ago, Banker said:

We need to at least allow families to visit as it’s getting ridiculous now

Can't you just wait for the vaccine? It's bad enough all the students coming back for Christmas. Although, let's be honest, most of the smart ones will have deferred this year.

9 hours ago, All Right said:

a lot of people deciding to move back to the UK fir family reasons.

A very few. Maybe.

[pongo 4,335]

Maybe just cancel Christmas this year. Like the TT.

Not many of us are Christians anyhow.

[Banker 986]

1 hour ago, Kopek said:

I think there are more important aspects of Lockdown/restrictions/border closures to concentrate on than second home owners!!!

The point is that Howie is banning Manx born people who don’t need work permits etc whilst allowing a number of second home owners to shelter here

[Roger Mexico 9,299]

2 hours ago, tetchtyke said:

No, it has to be only or principal residence. Second/holiday home owners do not count as Manx residents. Some may apply as Manx residents, but they shouldn't, because they're not.

I'm fairly certain at one stage that ownership was enough - they may have tightened up.  But in a lot of cases it won't matter anyway, because if the property is owned by a company (as many will be for tax reasons) then all they need to do is have their company grant themselves a tenancy and they will able to come here based on that. 

[tetchtyke 261]

24 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

I'm fairly certain at one stage that ownership was enough - they may have tightened up.  But in a lot of cases it won't matter anyway, because if the property is owned by a company (as many will be for tax reasons) then all they need to do is have their company grant themselves a tenancy and they will able to come here based on that. 

The rules for getting a Manx resident permit have always been slightly different to the contractual route, which you linked to, though with the contractual route you had to be buying the property to actually live in it. I suppose they didn't spell this out as you wouldn't be applying as a non-resident buying property to come to the IOM if you weren't intending to move here.

The gist for residents is only or principal home. But the types of evidence any government would want- utility or rates bills, etc- are the sorts of things second home owners have too.

So second home owners aren't allowed to come here, but in reality if they lie on their application and say they're resident here (and the form does refer to both resident and principal residence) when they're not then they may well not get caught out. But they are still lying.

As you say, if the home's owned by a company they control then all bets are off.

Edited November 24, 2020 by tetchtyke

[The Duck of Atholl 917]

Just as an aside I note that magna Carta hairdresser woman in Bradford (?)  has accrued circa £17k in lockdown fines and continues to flout the law. So much for the efficacy and proportionality of just fining people for Covid breaches.

[the stinking enigma 11,119]

1 hour ago, pongo said:

Maybe just cancel Christmas this year. Like the TT.

Not many of us are Christians anyhow.

Will we still be allowed to watch escape to victory?

[Kopek 2,091]

Not Monty Python definitely, perhaps days of Wine and Roses to give some perspective to obsession???

[The Duck of Atholl 917]

So if my understanding of some posters stance on this is correct, they aren't worried about catching Covid itself but are worried about the vaccine so won't have it? How odd.

[All Right 50]

6 minutes ago, The Duck of Atholl said:

How odd.

It’s not odd really when you consider that it takes many years normally to get approval for a new drug or vaccine but this will probably be signed off in 6 months based on a limited number of tests. Just because people may be skeptical of the fast tracking that will apply doesn’t make them anti-vaxxers.