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OK. For what it's worth I'm going to try and explain why genomics is important in a ssRNA virus epidemic. No doubt it will end up being recited badly at a briefing, but, well, whatever. You read it he

Rachel has tried every which way to re-offer her services. This last tweet wasn't the first time she's reached out. Government has made it very clear they do not want her to be involved. I want h

I think you'll find most so called anti-government rhetoric is focused on government-stupidity and government-selfishness. In recent times - under Brown, Bell and now Quayle - all too many govern

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1 minute ago, AcousticallyChallenged said:

The thing is, if approached sensibly, Dr Glover would leap at the opportunity to help out.

Not because she has any respect or like, or professionally repeatable opinion of CM and Ashie, but because she wants to help the people of the Island, despite their government.

Shes been awfully quiet today, maybe she's at the negotiating table.

(Wishful thinking, I suspect).

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2 minutes ago, jaymann said:

How is Daphne getting on with her plans to oust a CM?

She wanted teachers to be able to travel during all school holidays (as 30 recently just have, resulting in abandoning kids for first week of term to serve isolation) and recently moaning in press regarding no exercise for people in isolation. 

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31 minutes ago, pongo said:

Stop trying to make out that everyone in favour of sensible precautions is either hysterical or some kind of shirker.

TBF the post he was replying to was sanctimonious in the extreme.

It is possible to recognise the negative impacts of a new lockdown and care about the wellbeing of their family, friends, the economy.

Calm down. Try to dial down your hysteria and maybe let a bit of empathy into your thinking. 

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4 minutes ago, BenFairfax said:

She wanted teachers to be able to travel during all school holidays (as 30 recently just have, resulting in abandoning kids for first week of term to serve isolation) and recently moaning in press regarding no exercise for people in isolation. 

Going well then.

Devon Watson laying it down

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=172328554622717&id=102420844946822 

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3 minutes ago, jaymann said:

Shes been awfully quiet today, maybe she's at the negotiating table.

(Wishful thinking, I suspect).

Hope so, and quotes gave in November I would be adding a zero to all of them. Hope she dictates to leadership (with no scientific training) what the plan of action should be now. When advice non specialists I only even present Plan A, Plan A, or Plan A; never give a Plan B, because people could pick it.

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8 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

No....amongst the legal spiel that was read out to me, if the test returns negative (24hr turnaround stated) then the isolation conditions are revoked. I share your concerns though, if they're not updating the protocols to suit the new strain/conditions, it's pointless.

If Paul Moulton or Gef reads this thread - it would be great if he could ask this question. About the possibility that people are being tested before they would be showing symptoms.

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17 minutes ago, the stinking enigma said:

If howie and ashie dont go cap in hand to dr glover now they both need sacking. Time for a bit of genuine leadership

I know I keep going on about New Zealand, but one thing that we can learn from them is the importance of using genomics to track cluster outbreaks so you can trace the spread of particular outbreaks.  It's not just about whether these are the new strain or not, it's also a way of seeing how many separate outbreaks there are.

The fact we have a company on the Island that can do this should be grasped with both hands.  Instead they are spending money to legally harass them because the only thing that really matters is the egos of DHSC management and they will fight to the death to make those the most important things

Not their own deaths obviously - ours.

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3 minutes ago, pongo said:

If Paul Moulton or Gef reads this thread - it would be great if he could ask this question. About the possibility that people are being tested before they would be showing symptoms.

Well contacts of contacts don't need to isolate, if you take it to an extreme contacts of contacts of contacts etc you would have whole island isolating.

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8 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said:

The thing is, if approached sensibly, Dr Glover would leap at the opportunity to help out.

Not because she has any respect or like, or professionally repeatable opinion of CM and Ashie, but because she wants to help the people of the Island, despite their government.

She would have to learn how to negotiate and play her cards and behave commercially. I don’t think she has a clue.

Im sure she has the science nailed.

But all this public posting won’t get her anywhere. It keeps on rubbing salt in the wound.

I start to wonder if she is on the autism spectrum. Obsession and impaired social skills.

She needs to shut up publicly, if she’s to get back and help the rest of us.  It’s just poor politicking as it is. She’s harming her professed objective. 

Theres more than one simple commercial answer to her beef about DHSC wanting to place full liability on her firm. Put the contract in a shell company, or agree, get fully insured, and add on the cost. Offer an alternative pricing structure. X with no liability, 10x X with liability.

My view, for what it’s worth, is that both sides need heads knocking.

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3 minutes ago, Banker said:

Well contacts of contacts don't need to isolate, if you take it to an extreme contacts of contacts of contacts etc you would have whole island isolating.

Didn't Jersey have about 10k people isolating not too long ago?

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16 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

No....amongst the legal spiel that was read out to me, if the test returns negative (24hr turnaround stated) then the isolation conditions are revoked. I share your concerns though, if they're not updating the protocols to suit the new strain/conditions, it's pointless.

I’ve got mixed feelings about this, I understand the need to test quickly/efficiently but we could now be returning negative results, giving people false hope and we wouldn’t see the consequences for another 10-20 days.

Even if they let you back into the wild after your first negative test and then retest you again in say 13 days time would be something, at least contract tracing could take place should you then return a positive result.

Obviously I hope you return a negative result but I think you’d be wise to exercise caution.

 

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Just now, pongo said:

You used to seem smart.

Recognising that a second lockdown will have a massive negative impact on the Mental Health of people isn't smart?

It may be neccessary to go into lockdown, as the lesser of two evils, but this isnt something to be celebrating. This isn't a victory for the hysterical mob. It's going to have real impact on people.

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