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So explain to me why my relatives who want to come here and spend time with their family can't do so if they are prepared to isolate and take all the required tests.

There is no justification and its inhumane 

Their family is more than able to leave to meet them though. That's just and humane.

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11 minutes ago, piebaps said:

Their family is more than able to leave to meet them though. That's just and humane.

Those are some pretty big (and inaccurate) assumptions you are making there 

People keep saying I could travel there or they could travel here 

Noone has yet given a valid reason whybwe can't do level 3 with proper testing

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Gosh, its so long since I was  regular on this forum. Ive been a returnee lurker though, ever since the beginning of the pandemic. Dave and I had so many good friends in the IOM. 

I really am so sorry to learn you are in lockdown again and I will say a little prayer to hope you return to normal life again soon. The IOM was so special to us.

Where have all the familiar names gone? I think I can remember the lovely Ans, also Slim(?), Chinahand, Glad To Be Back (now Gladys?) and more than a few more.

Just take care and be safe all of you xx

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Test, test, test.  Trace, trace, trace. 

If we were doing more of the first, we could have been doing the second.

It is shocking how defeat has been clutched from the jaws of victory because of egos and petty minds.  

I really hope the press push for answers on this at the next briefing and that there is an independent enquiry. 

Is there any MHK who will lead the charge on this?

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3 minutes ago, ButterflyMaiden said:

Gosh, its so long since I was  regular on this forum. Ive been a returnee lurker though, ever since the beginning of the pandemic. Dave and I had so many good friends in the IOM. 

I really am so sorry to learn you are in lockdown again and I will say a little prayer to hope you return to normal life again soon. The IOM was so special to us.

Where have all the familiar names gone? I think I can remember the lovely Ans, also Slim(?), Chinahand, Glad To Be Back (now Gladys?) and more than a few more.

Just take care and be safe all of you xx

Lovely to hear from you BM. Gosh, it must be more than 10 years since you left. I hope you and yours are doing OK. X

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27 minutes ago, horatiotheturd said:

So explain to me why my relatives who want to come here and spend time with their family can't do so if they are prepared to isolate and take all the required tests.

There is no justification and its inhumane 

It is called the law. 

Until it changes, it is tough. I cannot see mine either. Maybe I am just a bit more grown up? 

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4 minutes ago, Cambon said:

It is called the law. 

Until it changes, it is tough. I cannot see mine either. Maybe I am just a bit more grown up? 

Or maybe you’re just in a different position? Grown up? Don’t judge others if you don’t know the story. 

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46 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

Thomas's basic motion - read this

It's worth looking through the debate to show the extraordinary attitudes of CoMin - Quayle is even more bizarre than usual.  But both parts passed.

I've read that whole thing, you're not wrong about extraordinary attitudes. In light of where we are now everyone who has a concern should read it, and seriously consider punching 'Howie' square in the face the next time the see him.

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3 hours ago, jaymann said:

Just to add on to @Roger Mexico....

The Government are going to have a problem if there transpires to be zero community spread identified in the coming weeks.

To me, this is exactly why we should have followed the pathway laid down by Government, below.

Very simple steps:

1) We think we have a small cluster and we don't know how big it could be, we are up to 6 positives.

2) We therefore move to Amber alert and introduce new social distancing measures with compulsory mask wearing in public places. But groups of up to X households can socialise together and can eat or drink out together.

3) IF and only when we detect any element of community transmission, then we consider a lockdown.

There's only so many times we can go for this 'hard and fast' approach. It will become tiresome and grind down the economy each time it happens.

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They didn't follow that plan because they changed to an elimination strategy from a live with it strategy. New Zealand, Singapore, China and Australia also follow this strategy where you go in hard and aggressive and snuff out the virus. All of these places realise that this short term pain is worth the gain in the long term. 

Let's hope the Government learn from this situation. Given how bristly Quayle became when Glover was mentioned today I doubt they will.

It takes the bigger man to hold their hands up and say I got it wrong I'm sorry.

My concern is not the £10,000,000 it's going to costs the Manx taxpayer, it's the potential lives it could cost us. All because a few civil servants thought they knew best. 

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1 minute ago, Ham_N_Eggs said:

They didn't follow that plan because they changed to an elimination strategy from a live with it strategy. New Zealand, Singapore, China and Australia also follow this strategy where you go in hard and aggressive and snuff out the virus. All of these places realise that this short term pain is worth the gain in the long term. 

Let's hope the Government learn from this situation. Given how bristly Quayle became when Glover was mentioned today I doubt they will.

It takes the bigger man to hold their hands up and say I got it wrong I'm sorry.

My concern is not the £10,000,000 it's going to costs the Manx taxpayer, it's the potential lives it could cost us. All because a few civil servants thought they knew best. 

Don't forget it's only £10m in MERA and Salary Support.

Treasury - naturally - isn't including loss of income during the period. Less alcohol sales (maybe), less VAT the lot.

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20 minutes ago, Gladys said:

Test, test, test.  Trace, trace, trace. 

If we were doing more of the first, we could have been doing the second.

It is shocking how defeat has been clutched from the jaws of victory because of egos and petty minds.  

I really hope the press push for answers on this at the next briefing and that there is an independent enquiry. 

Is there any MHK who will lead the charge on this?

Let's hope so...we're probably only a day or so away from community spread again.

All avoidable, if only they had implemented 2nd week testing in Nov when advised by Dr Rachael Glover.

Some politicians and personalities need their arses kicked.

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6 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

I've read that whole thing, you're not wrong about extraordinary attitudes. In light of where we are now everyone who has a concern should read it, and seriously consider punching 'Howie' square in the face the next time the see him.

Everything he says is scripted. He may influence what is in his speech but don't be under any illusions that he is not representing the views of the Cabinet Office. 

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1 minute ago, Ham_N_Eggs said:

Everything he says is scripted. He may influence what is in his speech but don't be under any illusions that he is not representing the views of the Cabinet Office. 

Yes, but his is the public very punchable face of it

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