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33 minutes ago, Mr Newbie said:

I don’t think it matters as I think H & B are going to find it very hard to get trade back. When I can order a really nice Chinese, Thai or anything else for that matter to my house and eat it in the garden on a nice day with a nice cold beer I bought at Shoprite why on earth would I go to a H & B pub to pay more money to sit in a dull half empty pub and eat one of their crappy ‘ping’ meals and have a pint of overpriced beer? 

Most are pretty dire but there are a few that do do good meals, especially some of the specials. 
I’ve had good meals in The Cat, The George, and The Terminus. 

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3 minutes ago, asitis said:

The whitestone is dire !!!!

It’s now closed permanently apparently. Just like lots of other terrible pubs will be. H & B really needs to up its game like lots of small traders have during this crisis. I was determined not to slum it even at the height of lockdown and the home delivery food options have been excellent throughout. 

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Good to hear. Hope they keep it up - could be very useful additional income stream

Is there a body doing the deliveries or is each restaurant arranging it themselves?

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10 minutes ago, Donald Trumps said:

Good to hear. Hope they keep it up - could be very useful additional income stream

Is there a body doing the deliveries or is each restaurant arranging it themselves?

Apparently lots of taxi drivers been employed to deliver food for many places as they had little else to do. Some owners have done it themselves. Some have paid staff to use their own cars. But it seems to have worked well for most. Whether they keep going or not will depend on governments attitude to change of use. At the moment planning are being relaxed on change of use to home delivery. That attitude will surely change and they will demand businesses apply for permits and applications to change. It seems very odd to me that you need permission from government to adapt your business to stop you going bust and consequently not paying tax! 

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15 minutes ago, asitis said:

The whitestone is dire !!!!

Shame because it has a great location and is a good size

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16 minutes ago, asitis said:

The whitestone is dire !!!!

Used to be good but then Jenny & Brendan moved to The Cat

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17 minutes ago, Mr Newbie said:

It’s now closed permanently apparently. Just like lots of other terrible pubs will be. H & B really needs to up its game like lots of small traders have during this crisis. I was determined not to slum it even at the height of lockdown and the home delivery food options have been excellent throughout. 

I don't think the Whitestone is closing.

Some pubs will not reopen of course.   

In general the H and B food offering was never that great but eating takeaways only appeals to some people for so long.

I'm out for a meal this week.  As are others I know.  Socialising and having a few drinks in a different setting is still very much in demand.

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9 minutes ago, Mr Newbie said:

Apparently lots of taxi drivers been employed to deliver food for many places as they had little else to do. Some owners have done it themselves. Some have paid staff to use their own cars. But it seems to have worked well for most. Whether they keep going or not will depend on governments attitude to change of use. At the moment planning are being relaxed on change of use to home delivery. That attitude will surely change and they will demand businesses apply for permits and applications to change. It seems very odd to me that you need permission from government to adapt your business to stop you going bust and consequently not paying tax! 

I've long said - and I'm not alone - that IOMG and other 'public interest' bodies are a major constraint on enterprise on this island

This should not be the case & general election candidates should be pressed hard on their attitude to support for enterprise

Whilst we await Treasury initiatives in the July budget update, the impression of the Quayle administration is that they're out to support their mates who pour concrete over the green countryside & love to dole out 'grants for landowners'

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5 minutes ago, Donald Trumps said:

Shame because it has a great location and is a good size

That has the potential to end up as Mannin Retail perhaps with a coffee shop.  Parking, sizeable and a new estate being built.

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10 minutes ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said:

That has the potential to end up as Mannin Retail perhaps with a coffee shop.  Parking, sizeable and a new estate being built.

They've recently bought Out of date Andys in Clagh Vane and turned it into a Spar. 

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24 minutes ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said:

That has the potential to end up as Mannin Retail perhaps with a coffee shop.  Parking, sizeable and a new estate being built.

Mannin Retail has to be the future of H & Bs now. I see the Crosby is now a temporary Spar shop. It probably has the potential to turn over more than the pub as a shop. Most of their pubs are rubbish and I can’t see that people will be flocking back to experience poor food, over priced beer and a generally dismal experience. I think independent owners (restaurants largely) have been the ones to adapt quickly throughout this crisis and they have really been innovative. Of the pubs in town I would guess the Thirsty Pidgeon, The Rovers, and 1886 have safe-ish models. All independently owned. The Tynwald (also independent) was packed today with people eating outside too as they seem to have re-jigged the outside. I also hear the two blokes in Peel have been doing ok with home delivery beer. Then you’ll have the piss head pubs like the Market and the Albert and the Nags Head which will be back to normal. Maybe the Saddle but that was often empty before all this. The Cat has a massive beer garden so hopefully ok. But outside of that there is little reason to return to a H & B pub. I agree on the Whitestone it has a better chance as a coffee shop or Spar than a pub. It’s awful but I’ve heard from several sources that it’s unlikely to open again. 

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Pubs on the island have long since been an important part of the H and B portfolio.

They make their money out of Mannin Retail and Trade Distribution. 

And I don't think people really understand just how small a part a few Isle of Man pubs are really.  They keep a few going because they wash their face.    Some wont reopen.  If I was running  anything on the pub side I would be looking to develop that estate into property systematically closing pubs down where I could.  The Whitestone would be a great start.

The likes of the Market and The Albert are at risk simply because they are dumps.  (The landlord of the Market is a great guy).

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29 minutes ago, asitis said:

The whitestone is dire !!!!

This is the problem with the way H&B treat their pubs.  Over the years the Whitestone has had a good reputation more often than not, but if it happens to be doing less well, they're not interested in getting things back on track.  They basically see then as redevelopment opportunities, so this crisis will just be a good excuse.

Of course if they genuinely thought there was no more money to be made in the pub trade, they would be happy to sell them off as going concerns, but that never seems to happen.  I suspect they believe that there are a fixed number of drinkers on the Island and they will just go further and further to crowd into the pubs they still own and that they don't need to do anything to make their remaining pubs more attractive.  Obviously this is nonsense, but it's easier than actually running the business properly.

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Shame on the Whitestone as it's the only one on the island that has a sort of roadside inn look about it

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