The Dog's Dangly Bits 1,710 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 38 minutes ago, hissingsid said: Same difference he is a half wit as well as the king of waffle. Really you dont know what you are talking about. It isnt actually cleared what he was abstaining about. I doubt very much it was a simple "Shall we close the borders, yes or no?" 1 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Uhtred 10,171 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 3 hours ago, TheTeapot said: The twitters are fairly busy on this story, there are a lot of posts. Julie Edge described him as the most intelligent person in CoMin Julie Edge is absolutely correct. Just as she would be if she said that an Undertaker is the liveliest person in the Chapel of Rest. 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ham_N_Eggs 1,014 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Golfer said: The issue on planning was that they were using emergency powers to stop objections except in writing, they could easily accommodate verbal objections with a bit of common sense e.g. On Zoom or with social distancing in a room. Concern was that it would be used to slip a lot of planning permission through. as the motion was defeated in both houses there was obviously a lot of other members not happy , Howie lost his rag as he didn't get what he wanted!! Having just listened to it on catch up it was only defeated by legislative council. It was 12 for in the Keys and 11 against. If you can bothered you can note down who voted which way as the clerk's are now reading the votes out. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Kopek 2,136 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Actually, would normal collective voting apply to the unusual situation of legislation being put thru in 'Emergency' times? Not as tho anyone could have declared a stance four years ago??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
piebaps 3,315 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 7 hours ago, Golfer said: The issue on planning was that they were using emergency powers to stop objections except in writing, they could easily accommodate verbal objections with a bit of common sense e.g. On Zoom or with social distancing in a room. Concern was that it would be used to slip a lot of planning permission through. as the motion was defeated in both houses there was obviously a lot of other members not happy , Howie lost his rag as he didn't get what he wanted!! Errr, no. In fact totally the opposite. It was to enable appeals to move forward and be determined in writing rather than personal appearance and as JW has indicated was only a temporary measure anyway. I really can't see why he got his knickers in a twist. With a unanimous vote by Legco, it was doomed to failure anyway. There has to be something else and this was just his way of throwing the toys out. Perhaps as an IT solution was suggested and he was in charge of Gov's computing department he recognized that he was ultimate responsible for the failure. I was listening to the debate and couldn't believe why they were arguing for so long about a temporary planning measure. When John Moss said that CT had voted against the Government I assumed he's simply pressed the wrong button given that the subject matter was not really significant in the great scheme of things. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dirty Buggane 200 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 They are saying this would only be as a long as emergency powers are in force, but I for one do not see them ending anytime soon. Still waiting for the announcement that 2021 elections are to be postponed whilst the emergency is still ongoing. Under emergency powers of course. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kopek 2,136 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 40 mph was a temporary measure under Covid regulations. Now it's going to be 60mph! There was never a 60 limit, 50 was the tops and then open limits. Why 60??? So, will we see the 60 become a permanent limit after comid on the back of emergency legislation??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kopek 2,136 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, Dirty Buggane said: They are saying this would only be as a long as emergency powers are in force, For Gods sake, we're not China! We wouldn't pass legislation under emergency powers and then make it permanent!!!! Would we??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Out of the blue 664 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 37 minutes ago, Kopek said: 40 mph was a temporary measure under Covid regulations. Now it's going to be 60mph! There was never a 60 limit, 50 was the tops and then open limits. Why 60??? So, will we see the 60 become a permanent limit after comid on the back of emergency legislation??? Paul Moulton attempted to ask the question, but lost his track as usual and the question went unanswered by Howard. Why 60mph? If the emergency services have capacity and with such low case numbers why didn't they just revert back to the normal measures? It is strange and I for one would love to hear an explanation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Out of the blue 664 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Kopek said: For Gods sake, we're not China! We wouldn't pass legislation under emergency powers and then make it permanent!!!! Would we??? It's okay though as he has got lots of emails from people who love the 40mph limit. True democracy Edited May 28, 2020 by Out of the blue Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Manxberry 271 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, Out of the blue said: Paul Moulton attempted to ask the question, but lost his track as usual and the question went unanswered by Howard. Why 60mph? If the emergency services have capacity and with such low case numbers why didn't they just revert back to the normal measures? It is strange and I for one would love to hear an explanation. The explanation is they have 'emergency' powers, and no one is going to stop them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Derek Flint 4,150 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 47 minutes ago, Kopek said: 40 mph was a temporary measure under Covid regulations. Now it's going to be 60mph! There was never a 60 limit, 50 was the tops and then open limits. Why 60??? So, will we see the 60 become a permanent limit after comid on the back of emergency legislation??? The Burma Road is 60. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pongo 4,558 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 60mph would make good sense as a national limit and would involve mimimal cost in terms of changing exist signs. Let's hope they just do it. The 'national speed limit applies' sign would then mean 60mph. And no other signs would need to change (apart from the very few square advisory signs which just confuse people and should be rounded). 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Derek Flint 4,150 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, Out of the blue said: Paul Moulton attempted to ask the question, but lost his track as usual and the question went unanswered by Howard. Why 60mph? If the emergency services have capacity and with such low case numbers why didn't they just revert back to the normal measures? It is strange and I for one would love to hear an explanation. We know that the prevailing approach to road safety caused a lot of Collisions and seriously injured or killed a significant number of people. the current approach has reduced collisions by well over 90%. somewhere there is a middle ground. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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