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Under current reduced circumstances how can they justify spending this amount of tax payers money on a new 60 bed Care Home

(£200,000 per room).

The last one was Salisbury Street with 68 rooms built by private developer for about £5.6m but then bought by the Government for £7.9m.

Even at £7.9m each room only cost £116,000. Surely the £12m of tax payers money is way over the top and the project

cost could be halved - let the Salisbury Street developers do it !

http://www.iomtoday.co.im/article.cfm?id=39372&headline=Taxpayers' cash squandered says care home boss§ionIs=news&searchyear=2018

 

 

 

 

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Au contraire, privatisation has been a disaster. Wages and care levels down. Profits extracted for owners and providers of finance.  The only way most private operators make money is hidden gover

It’s unlikely to be beneficial to anyone, anywhere. Not even bigoted bores in Norfolk

just purchase abbots wood and refit it.

56 minutes ago, veuve said:

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/dhsc-seeks-approval-for-11-7m-care-home-construction/

Under current reduced circumstances how can they justify spending this amount of tax payers money on a new 60 bed Care Home

(£200,000 per room).

The last one was Salisbury Street with 68 rooms built by private developer for about £5.6m but then bought by the Government for £7.9m.

Even at £7.9m each room only cost £116,000. Surely the £12m of tax payers money is way over the top and the project

cost could be halved - let the Salisbury Street developers do it !

http://www.iomtoday.co.im/article.cfm?id=39372&headline=Taxpayers' cash squandered says care home boss§ionIs=news&searchyear=2018

 

 

 

 

They have already spent over £750K on Architects Fees so far.

The home on Albert Terrace if it’s so unfit or not up to current standards, would have to be demolished. Perhaps it could be given over for say a homeless hostel or accommodation for ‘sofa surfers’ with live in staff, an emphasis on education to maintain a tenancy, and hopefully it will stop some youngsters/adults indulging in drugs. 
 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, Rog said:

Why on earth do your government not privatise this and a WHOLE lot more besides

Not enough private homes are being built, or to the spec of what is needed. 

As well as older persons, those needing nursing care, EMI, there are people stuck in Manannan Court, bed blocking, who need 24/7 supervision. People of all ages. Then there are lots of homeless, many with personality disorders. Our entire stock needs sorting out.

Perhaps Albert Terrace can be adapted. But this is necessary.

private, or PFI, doesn’t work long term, except for a few excellent operators. Many close for financial reasons or after adverse event or a poor inspection.

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21 minutes ago, John Wright said:

Not enough private homes are being built, or to the spec of what is needed. 

As well as older persons, those needing nursing care, EMI, there are people stuck in Manannan Court, bed blocking, who need 24/7 supervision. People of all ages. Then there are lots of homeless, many with personality disorders. Our entire stock needs sorting out.

Perhaps Albert Terrace can be adapted. But this is necessary.

private, or PFI, doesn’t work long term, except for a few excellent operators. Many close for financial reasons or after adverse event or a poor inspection.

Are you talking mainly about IOM here?

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56 minutes ago, John Wright said:

Not enough private homes are being built, or to the spec of what is needed. 

As well as older persons, those needing nursing care, EMI, there are people stuck in Manannan Court, bed blocking, who need 24/7 supervision. People of all ages. Then there are lots of homeless, many with personality disorders. Our entire stock needs sorting out.

Perhaps Albert Terrace can be adapted. But this is necessary.

private, or PFI, doesn’t work long term, except for a few excellent operators. Many close for financial reasons or after adverse event or a poor inspection.

Not disputing the need just the incredible cost especially in comparison to the

privately developed Salisbury St one where the build cost must also have included

a cost for acquiring the site whereas the Government already owned this site.

With all the covad support costs coming out of our NI reserves they are soon going to say they cant pay pensions. They need to be conservative and not produce these

grandiose schemes which I bet will also finish over budget just like the Hospital

Prom Liverpool steam packet terminal etc etc

 

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7 minutes ago, veuve said:

Not disputing the need just the incredible cost especially in comparison to the

privately developed Salisbury St one where the build cost must also have included

a cost for acquiring the site whereas the Government already owned this site.

 

 

The government owned the Salisbury Site - it was a bus depot - and JCK, the main contractors made a string of massive fuck ups in building it. Really it should have cost even less to build if they hadnt had to knock various walls down that had been put in the wrong place or the foreman wasn't such a knob. It was that job that pushed JCK to go back to doing groundworks etc rather than actual building works.

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It was all explained by the Govt and discussed on here. The number of rooms that had to be available to the Govt, the problems, as we MFres  saw them,  with that.

To be fair, JCB were the main contractor but subbed a lot of the work??? The extra costs were to cover the equipping and fittings?

JW was pointing out that some 'Homes' need extra facilities for nursing and special care.?

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