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Followed a couple of numpties out of Onchan this morning. Road signs whether you agree with them or not are clearly marked. All you have to do is pay attention to them. These clowns didn't. All over the road an in the wrong lanes. Nobody can legislate for stupidity...

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1 hour ago, Boris Johnson said:

MHKs should not be asking questions in Tynwald about minor roadworks, FULL STOP!

They have much more important things to worry about, or should do. That is the problem though, they like to interfere in stuff that gets them easy votes. No one like roadworks so it is an easy win for them, crazy.

I have said it before, stuff like this should be something the local council/ commissioners look at, not a national parliament. Its pathetic that they waste time on this crap.

The DoI listens to a higher power than the commissioners.

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/flood-defence-plans-unveiled-for-ramsey-quayside/

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14 minutes ago, Boris Johnson said:

MHKs should not be asking questions in Tynwald about minor roadworks, FULL STOP!

They have much more important things to worry about, or should do. That is the problem though, they like to interfere in stuff that gets them easy votes. No one like roadworks so it is an easy win for them, crazy.

I have said it before, stuff like this should be something the local council/ commissioners look at, not a national parliament. Its pathetic that they waste time on this crap.

You are wrong there for at least three reasons.  Firstly MHKs are there to represent their constituents and if this is the sort of thing their constituents are getting upset about then they need to try to sort things out.  If you contacted your MHK with some personal problem and they told you to go away because they had More Important Things to deal with, you'd think they weren't doing their job.  And of course they should be able to deal with more than one thing at one anyway - that's what government is about.

Secondly cock-ups like this aren't just isolated incidents, they are symptoms and by examining them we can see what is going wrong more generally.  The way this whole exercise has happened: done at a whim;  not assessed to see if it was necessary; poorly thought out; badly communicated to those using it and other agencies; not following procedures.  All these are characteristic of the way the DoI is run and how it is costing the taxpayers million more than it should every year to cater for the random wishes of a handful of incompetent public servants.  By looking at individual examples, maybe the larger problem can be admitted and tackled.

Thirdly it isn't the job of local government to deal with all but the most minor roads and that's the way it is in most countries and for very good reasons.   Major road networks need to be planned, organised and maintained on a national level so as to run efficiently even in much bigger jurisdictions.  So it is the job of MHKs to do this.

There are far too many people already on Prospect Hill who are full of their self-importance about being in a 'national' government and having such delusions of grandeur that they think themselves above providing efficient services to the public.  Don't encourage them.

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45 minutes ago, Neil Down said:

Followed a couple of numpties out of Onchan this morning. Road signs whether you agree with them or not are clearly marked. All you have to do is pay attention to them. These clowns didn't. All over the road an in the wrong lanes. Nobody can legislate for stupidity...

I think the signage as you approach from Main Road Onchan is not particularly clear. As you come up to the big roundabout there is a pole mounted sign saying left lane for Victoria Road right lane for traffic to Bray Hill but the road markings are left lane for straight on and right lane is right turn only, so are you supposed to go in the right lane and go straight on or not?

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45 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

You are wrong there for at least three reasons.  Firstly MHKs are there to represent their constituents and if this is the sort of thing their constituents are getting upset about then they need to try to sort things out.  If you contacted your MHK with some personal problem and they told you to go away because they had More Important Things to deal with, you'd think they weren't doing their job.  And of course they should be able to deal with more than one thing at one anyway - that's what government is about.

Secondly cock-ups like this aren't just isolated incidents, they are symptoms and by examining them we can see what is going wrong more generally.  The way this whole exercise has happened: done at a whim;  not assessed to see if it was necessary; poorly thought out; badly communicated to those using it and other agencies; not following procedures.  All these are characteristic of the way the DoI is run and how it is costing the taxpayers million more than it should every year to cater for the random wishes of a handful of incompetent public servants.  By looking at individual examples, maybe the larger problem can be admitted and tackled.

Thirdly it isn't the job of local government to deal with all but the most minor roads and that's the way it is in most countries and for very good reasons.   Major road networks need to be planned, organised and maintained on a national level so as to run efficiently even in much bigger jurisdictions.  So it is the job of MHKs to do this.

There are far too many people already on Prospect Hill who are full of their self-importance about being in a 'national' government and having such delusions of grandeur that they think themselves above providing efficient services to the public.  Don't encourage them.

Sorry Roger but we will have to agree to disagree, yes there may be problems in that and plenty of other departments but that should not be sorted on the floor of Tynwald.

As for MHKs asking questions in Tynwald about minor stuff liker this and it is minor, we don't have any "Major Road Networks" I have a simple test for things like this.

Can you imagine the UK PM being asked about a set of roadworks at the Elephant and Castle junction in London at PMs questions? No, and nor should our politicians be asking rubbish. Like it or not they are a national government, time they started acting like one. :-)

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All this too and throwing about MHK's or Commisioners/Councll is academic really as there are high paid (overpaid) CS and staff to get it right as thats what there paid for . The real issue is they are not doing the job we are paying them for. First stop should be CEO of the relevant department prompted by MHK's and or Chief Secretary . And a set up that allows accountibility . This is what should be addressed as a priority and then we should safely leave it to the CEO . In this case Black , who quite honestly is so out of his depth its untrue. Again said at the last election key to all this is a strong capable CM. who thinks outside the box and gets the population on side ,makes some tough decisions and rattles some cages . We have someone whos so far away from this sadly . Till this happens its waste city and Black and his incompetants will reign supreme. On another angle have it on very good authoriity that  the Financial Services Authority , think thats what they are called now , are in no hurry to go back to there offices as apparently bosses are loving the freedom and the leisurely lifestyle they can enjoy in there gardens ,barbecue and late starts etc rather than dossing in there offices ! Lots of staff want to go back but great reluctance for management . Now there is a surprise , not . Wonder how many more Government departments are similar .  

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3 hours ago, Boris Johnson said:

Sorry Roger but we will have to agree to disagree, yes there may be problems in that and plenty of other departments but that should not be sorted on the floor of Tynwald.

As for MHKs asking questions in Tynwald about minor stuff liker this and it is minor, we don't have any "Major Road Networks" I have a simple test for things like this.

Can you imagine the UK PM being asked about a set of roadworks at the Elephant and Castle junction in London at PMs questions? No, and nor should our politicians be asking rubbish. Like it or not they are a national government, time they started acting like one. :-)

Well as it happens Barber isn't asking the Chief Minister about it, but Baker at the DoI (as you'd expect). 

But have you ever listened beyond the headlines at Westminster PMQs?  Just the summary of a recent one shows people asking parochial questions from (literally) Blackpool to Bolsover.  Roadworks at the Elephant and Castle would be exactly what you expect (a quick google suggest they spent most of the Great Depression talking about them).

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5 hours ago, ellanvannin2010 said:

I think the signage as you approach from Main Road Onchan is not particularly clear. As you come up to the big roundabout there is a pole mounted sign saying left lane for Victoria Road right lane for traffic to Bray Hill but the road markings are left lane for straight on and right lane is right turn only, so are you supposed to go in the right lane and go straight on or not?

The right lane has actually been bodged to also have a forward arrow with the usual right one, but it isn't the clearest and most people seem to miss it and/or be confused

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6 hours ago, ellanvannin2010 said:

I think the signage as you approach from Main Road Onchan is not particularly clear. As you come up to the big roundabout there is a pole mounted sign saying left lane for Victoria Road right lane for traffic to Bray Hill but the road markings are left lane for straight on and right lane is right turn only, so are you supposed to go in the right lane and go straight on or not?

The signage is adequate if you pay attention to the road...

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When I last went that way, there was no way you could go straight across at the top of Victoria Road. There were bollards right the way across, and the only way to go was down Victoria Road, which the whole queue of vehicles I was in did.

No doubt they've played with the layout a few times.

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3 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

It would have been worse if we had done nothing

http://www.iomtoday.co.im/article.cfm?id=56334

Amazing, it seems the DoI have this alarming tendency to attract idiots. They don't know if it would be worse as they never gave it a try

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