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Turning left off Glencrutchery Road into Ballaquayle Road!

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2 minutes ago, quilp said:

Is it not the one Teapot posted earlier? 

No. It is different afaik and 3or 4 mins long.

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7 hours ago, Nellie said:

The DoI have published  their rationale for the changes to the revised traffic arrangements for routes into Douglas.

As you would expect, it contains some fairly substantial porkies.

https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/myprom.im/final-29-06-2020-douglas-promenade-refurbishment-one-way-system.pdf

Can you highlight the substantial porkies?

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2 hours ago, kevster said:

Can you highlight the substantial porkies?

Just a couple:-

"Because of the large increase in traffic coming in from Onchan and the A2 settlements there will be delays at some times of the day. These delays are a result of the additional traffic not the creation of an additional bus lane ahead of the left turn lane." - it is patently obvious that  removing traffic from 180m of the roadway must also increase congestion in the remaining lane. It is insulting the public's intelligence to suggest otherwise.

"A number of changes have been implemented in this area (Governors Dip) to ensure that traffic flow is running safely and efficiently. All measures and feedback confirm that it is working well and allowing traffic to flow better towards Douglas." - I don't know where they are getting their feedback from, but comment on social media, radio, print media does not reflect this.

"Q. Could all vehicles use the left hand lane? Yes, they could and it would increase traffic flow further into Douglas; however, it would result in severe queuing at Rosemount,......"Drivers who want to turn left at St Ninians will still turn left, after being delayed in the right hand lane. How does this impact what happens at Rosemount? Motorists heading in that direction will still arrive there and contribute to any queues or congestion. 

 

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What a shit design - someone nearly pranged me there last night, pulling left far too late, with so little lane space after the cycle zone finishes.

I'll put money on the number of minor accidents increasing there over time.

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2 hours ago, kevster said:

Can you highlight the substantial porkies?

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Public Health describe the effects of 30 minutes of exercise a day as a wonder drug that significantly increase the length and quality of your life.

This bit? Exercise is important, but a varied sensible diet of mostly plants and not smoking are probably just as, if not more important. A half hour a day walk is not a 'wonder drug'.

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Baker/DoI are not going to win whatever they do. If they had left the prom works to drag on it would have created complaints, if they had made the prom one way but left everything to snarl up they would have complaints and now they have made an attempt to mitigate snarl up’s they are getting complaints. Ultimately this is all because of a unnecessary grandiose promenade redevelopment, that was poorly conceived and executed. If any lessons get learnt it should be to knock such unnecessary schemes on the head.

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Baker deserves criticism for defending it, but this was 'designed' before he was in post.

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29 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

Baker deserves criticism for defending it, but this was 'designed' before he was in post.

He needs to keep a distance from the original traffic alleviation brief and promise an immediate review and ammend where necessary. How to do this though is going to take some crative thinking. Expecting the car driving commuters to instantly change behaviour and jump on a bus or a bike is unrealistic but without Broadway and the promenade, Rosemount will  back up. I understand the logic of trying to nudge people around Douglas in the Peel road direction, but I am not convince that there is much spare capacity and Quarterbridge will be another pinch point. The commuting public are going to have to suck it up this winter whatever happens and either get used to traffic jams, or alternatively park in the outer areas and take a hike. Maybe govt could open up some of their vacant land as temporary carparks, such as Park Road school. As someone who has ‘enjoyed’ sitting in traffic in many major cities, it isn’t so bad in Douglas and at least it is only temporary.

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3 minutes ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said:

There's nothing wrong with the traffic measures overall.  Some people just love to moan.

there's a lot wrong with it but it's workable as long as people concentrate on the road whilst driving

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1 minute ago, Neil Down said:

there's a lot wrong with it but it's workable as long as people concentrate on the road whilst driving

It's a doddle unless you are a shit driver.

I know there are a number of traffic management experts on here so perhaps they could suggest other options.

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Everyones missing the real point. This traffic issue in these areas are totally the responsibility of DOI and the complete clusterf**k they made of the promenade in the first place . From day one they didnt have a clue ,and along with lack of design plans , and this is why we are where we are . How is it suddenly we have big numbers on site but for a year often there wouldnt be double figures for months . The Prom doesnt need to be one way as there is plenty of room for two lanes . As there was all along.. Management at DOI have completly failed in everyway and how Black is still in charge is mindblowing. Along with senior CS there they need to be made accountable . 

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1 minute ago, Numbnuts said:

Everyones missing the real point. This traffic issue in these areas are totally the responsibility of DOI and the complete clusterf**k they made of the promenade in the first place . From day one they didnt have a clue ,and along with lack of design plans , and this is why we are where we are . How is it suddenly we have big numbers on site but for a year often there wouldnt be double figures for months . The Prom doesnt need to be one way as there is plenty of room for two lanes . As there was all along.. Management at DOI have completly failed in everyway and how Black is still in charge is mindblowing. Along with senior CS there they need to be made accountable . 

Up to the late 70's, tourism was such that you could see the need for a wide promenade. With that not being the case these days, why have they kept the walkway so wide at the Queens Prom end. Surely a slightly wider road would be more beneficial. Cars parking back on the prom coupled with the wider tracks = traffic problems on the prom. The nagtrams will be running as soon as balloon knot can run them which means if you are unlucky enough to get behind a large vehicle, you are going to be travelling at the same speed as the tram.

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Just now, Neil Down said:

Up to the late 70's, tourism was such that you could see the need for a wide promenade. With that not being the case these days, why have they kept the walkway so wide at the Queens Prom end. Surely a slightly wider road would be more beneficial. Cars parking back on the prom coupled with the wider tracks = traffic problems on the prom. The nagtrams will be running as soon as balloon knot can run them which means if you are unlucky enough to get behind a large vehicle, you are going to be travelling at the same speed as the tram.

Yes, I was thinking exactly this, it looks like they've made the road narrower at the Queens Prom end, which will back traffic up behind the horse trams (again) or perhaps the thinking is to use the horse trams as traffic calming measures. Well, reduce the speed of traffic, certainly won't make held up drivers calmer!

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