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From what I understand of DOI it does not need anyone with relevent quals it needs a dictator type to get rid of the bullys, promote the good guys and then move and repeat in the next department.

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2 hours ago, Donald Trumps said:

Well, let's just let them walk all over us then

Have we any choice, DT?

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Well, we can squawk loudly as they do it

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On 6/27/2020 at 5:08 PM, Nellie said:

During the Scrutiny Committee investigation into the Promenade fiasco, a couple of weeks ago, Mrs Maska asked the DoI officers several questions about the apparent disregard of planning permission, reminded them that the whole Prom is a conservation area, and that they couldn't randomly change colours, finishes etc, to expedite completion. 

This looks like a rather unsubtle attempt, by Baker,  to get a potential trouble-maker inside the DoI tent**.

** the DoI tent is probably a more likely to be a very luxurious and over-engineered marquee.

Or it could be get there's a gap for someone with that eye to detail in the DOI and the hope is she'll catch the snags before they go live.

But experience says you are probably right.

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On 6/27/2020 at 2:55 PM, Roger Mexico said:

According to the Tynwald websiteMrs Maska changed her surname from Hendy on the occasion of her marriage in 2018.  

Actually Politics 101 would tell you that in many, maybe most, countries there are loads of unelected members in the cabinet.  Indeed in many you can't be an elected parliamentarian and be in the cabinet.  Wiki has a useful overview:

Even in the UK, the Prime Minister can effectively appoint anyone they want to Cabinet and validate it by making them a member of the House of Lords.  So they certainly don't have to be elected.  In fact in the UK there was a rule (up to 1926) that any MP who was made a Cabinet Minister had to submit himself to a parliamentary by-election to make sure that his constituents were happy with him doing so, 

This is a classic example of where people fervently demand that what we do in this particular country at this particular moment of time is the only way in which things can possibly be done and any alternative is is deeply evil and undemocratic.  Right up until it becomes convenient to change things and then the 'new normal' is championed with equal fervour and a complete forgetting of the immediate past.  So everyone says that the Chief Minister has to be an MHK - until Corkill has to go and Gelling, an MLC, takes over.  Or Bell claims that Minister must be MHKs - until it suits him to appoint Crookall.

What is actually important in a democracy is not who the Cabinet are, but the control that the elected legislature has over them, to hold them to account.  So the rule in the Isle of Man that Ministers have to be MHKs actually works against democracy because it means that a substantial proportion of the House of Keys has to back whatever nonsense the Cabinet puts forward.  We really need a different system or more elected members to balance that.

Do any of those with unelected ministers have a system where the person choosing the ministers isn't directly elected either as president or as head of a political party?

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23 hours ago, Boris Johnson said:

From what I understand of DOI it does not need anyone with relevent quals it needs a dictator type to get rid of the bullys, promote the good guys and then move and repeat in the next department.

You only have to look at the top of the tree at DOI,  NB who was Director of Transport and he who dodged the Bus drivers crisis and was given promotion right in the middle of the trouble, he should have been told sort out this mess then can be promoted, then on the back of that we have IL who thought he won the lottery when he was made Director of Transport, BH retired and then RP was appointed Director of Highways that pissed of the Director of Works JR who soon got his little empire built with RP leaving after a short time ,  no wonder IT had it on his toes and got the fuck out, what Minister in the right mind would want to manage that bunch 

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Posted (edited)

Wow! That's a bit of an insider story?

Watch out, the Manx CIA will be tracking your IP?  at this very moment!

It's usually about 5am. that they knock your front door in, sleep tight.

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18 minutes ago, Declan said:

Do any of those with unelected ministers have a system where the person choosing the ministers isn't directly elected either as president or as head of a political party?

Not usually initially, but political parties can change their leaders without recourse to the public and it can even happen in directly-elected systems (eg with Gerald Ford).  But of course the  real problems in the Manx system are that MLCs aren't elected and the number of politicians in the legislature in total is so small that the cabinet makes up such a high proportion of them.  That's even before you come to the scam of Departmental Members.

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Just now, Kopek said:

Wow! That's a bit of an insider story?

Watch out, the Manx CIA will be tracking your IP?  at this very moment!

General knowledge to anyone who cares about how taxpayers money is wasted, the Manx CIA is probably run by the CS so have little to worry about.

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2 minutes ago, Kopek said:

Wow! That's a bit of an insider story?

Watch out, the Manx CIA will be tracking your IP?  at this very moment!

It's usually about 5am. that they knock your front door in, sleep tight.

But remember this is the DoI.  They'll probably break down the front doors of six people who have nothing to do with it, stop for a prolonged tea break and then forget all about it.

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8 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

But remember this is the DoI.  They'll probably break down the front doors of six people who have nothing to do with it, stop for a prolonged tea break and then forget all about it.

Have they still got six men at the DOI? I know they have loads of managers, but  have they got anyone to break down the door? 

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They couldn't do 'Extraordinary Rendition' on six people.

They've used all their cable ties on the prom cracks!

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22 minutes ago, Kopek said:

Wow! That's a bit of an insider story?

Watch out, the Manx CIA will be tracking your IP?  at this very moment!

It's usually about 5am. that they knock your front door in, sleep tight.

If you want to know what goes on at the DOI speak to the men on the ground and they will be happy to spill the beans on any shenanigans as they are treated worse that the public/taxpayers.

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39 minutes ago, Kopek said:

Wow! That's a bit of an insider story?

Watch out, the Manx CIA will be tracking your IP?  at this very moment!

It's usually about 5am. that they knock your front door in, sleep tight.

No problem these days. For years a 'friendly' person working at Manx Telecom could pass on any internet information required (emails, internet history etc). 
These days Manx Telecom, with dumping their shareholders, is a private company that 'treasury' has a significant share of. Getting info is relatively straightforward, IP tracking is a cinch.

 

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(I will set my alarm for 04:55 tonight)

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