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54 minutes ago, VinnieK said:

So among political organizations on the Island, we now have the Greens, Manx Labour, Liberal Vannin, the Working People's Party, the Manx Democratic Socialist Forum, Mec Vannin (hiding in a pub somewhere, still grumbling quietly about the finance industry over a pint of stout they've been collectively nursing for the forty years since they were last active), the Positive Action Group*, and (maybe) HM the Sole's nebulous Ree Vannin?

Can't help but notice the apparent reluctance to start a Conservative party or association on here.

*Sadly not one of those euphemistically named paramilitary/conspiracy groups, as I learned when I turned up to their meeting in my balaclava and camos.

 

 

 

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His idiotic support for ending the free movement of people in europe will have cost him. And deservedly so. Fucking brexiteers can all fuck off.

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Having followed this forum for many, many years it is very clear how politicians are regarded. Several reasons for that of course, sometimes they don't do themselves any favours.

This is GE year and probably the most serious and / or interesting times we have ever faced on several fronts . It will tax our politicians to find the right solutions to problems not entirely of their own making (some would say for once!) but the ramifications of the decisions this year will be with us for along time afterwards. And they will be important and difficult choices to make.

I am not saying we should all have blind faith in what they determine or indeed ignore it when they clearly get it wrong. And the system seems heavily weighed against public opinions and engagement. But public opinion has to count somewhere.

Having seen the empty seats at political meetings and in Tynwald. At times it seems no one can be bothered, including embarrassingly some of those elected. The public expected to wait outside in the pouring rain until the doors open, miserable dour entrance hall that badly needs a coat of paint, changes at the last minute to Order papers and Questions - the public seem to be totally ignored at times and regarded as 'inconvenient passers by'. Its embarrassing for our public entrance to the parliament building to be in such decay. 

Time it stopped, and time to invite the public in seriously to see what is being done in our names. And if anybody can get them off their phones and computers whilst they are determining our futures I would be immensely grateful. Not an edifying sight. Some of them could at least 'pretend' to be interested in what is going on. We let them get away with it.

I have no preference for any political member, but seeing and hearing them in the flesh is still a better way of judging them than any other. I realise that Tynwald is largely a pantomime show for some egoistic charades at times but don't we deserve better in this day and age, not to mention the cost of it all.

I am going to attend Tynwald more often this year and some professionalism and respect for the public in this particular year would be very welcome.

Politics and governing are two different things. Rant over.

(Ducks for cover.)

 

 

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17 minutes ago, Apple said:

Having followed this forum for many, many years it is very clear how politicians are regarded. Several reasons for that of course, sometimes they don't do themselves any favours.

This is GE year and probably the most serious and / or interesting times we have ever faced on several fronts . It will tax our politicians to find the right solutions to problems not entirely of their own making (some would say for once!) but the ramifications of the decisions this year will be with us for along time afterwards. And they will be important and difficult choices to make.

I am not saying we should all have blind faith in what they determine or indeed ignore it when they clearly get it wrong. And the system seems heavily weighed against public opinions and engagement. But public opinion has to count somewhere.

Having seen the empty seats at political meetings and in Tynwald. At times it seems no one can be bothered, including embarrassingly some of those elected. The public expected to wait outside in the pouring rain until the doors open, miserable dour entrance hall that badly needs a coat of paint, changes at the last minute to Order papers and Questions - the public seem to be totally ignored at times and regarded as 'inconvenient passers by'. Its embarrassing for our public entrance to the parliament building to be in such decay. 

Time it stopped, and time to invite the public in seriously to see what is being done in our names. And if anybody can get them off their phones and computers whilst they are determining our futures I would be immensely grateful. Not an edifying sight. Some of them could at least 'pretend' to be interested in what is going on. We let them get away with it.

I have no preference for any political member, but seeing and hearing them in the flesh is still a better way of judging them than any other. I realise that Tynwald is largely a pantomime show for some egoistic charades at times but don't we deserve better in this day and age, not to mention the cost of it all.

I am going to attend Tynwald more often this year and some professionalism and respect for the public in this particular year would be very welcome.

Politics and governing are two different things. Rant over.

(Ducks for cover.)

 

 

Don't hold your breath!

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13 hours ago, VinnieK said:

 Can't help but notice the apparent reluctance to start a Conservative party or association on here. 

One major hurdle is that most people are unable to differentiate between conservative and Conservative with a capital C (Tories). They just can't get their heads around it. Another problem is that the term "conservative" has become too nebulous. Even if you got past that first hurdle, are you espousing fiscal conservatism (Austrian School economics), social conservatism (traditional/religious outlook), or both? I think many people, like me, would support fiscal conservatism but are socially liberal and don't want to be associated with social conservatives (because they're tossers). I think Liberal Vannin are fiscal conservative and social liberal. But they're not needed. Fiscal conservatives, for a number of reasons, are also more likely to be opposed to political parties. Which explains why we have so many independents. Personally, I like the fact that we have so many independents. The people who say it's a problem are making up a problem that doesn't exist.

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On 9/13/2020 at 10:22 AM, the stinking enigma said:

I long for a return to those halcyon times 3 year period when if ever there was advice needed on any matter whatsoever from vat sharing to foreign aid when manx radio would just wheel out the great sage pullyman. They dont seem to ask him anymore. 

This might have been from those days, here's Pullyman outside Government House

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I see that Clare Christian is now well and truly in with the establishment.

From the Nations Propoganda Mouthpiece -

Claire Christian will be in education and infrastructure

Newly-elected Douglas South MHK Claire Christian is set to serve as political member in two government departments.

Starting with immediate effect, Mrs Christian will work with both the Department of Education, Sport, and Culture, and the Department of Infrastructure.

Not a sausage about Paul Quine. Perhaps he hasn’t done much ground work with the people that ‘matter’. 

 

 

 

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As predicted right from the very start they’ve given Christian the DOI post. Seems like Callister well and truly put his foot in it by saying his appointment was interim. They clearly had their eye on her and were holding it open pending election results. Why would anyone decide to do that?

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/douglas-south-mhk-to-serve-in-two-govt-departments/

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She always was the COMIN Party’s candidate. But on current evidence she’s going to improve its competence levels, so not necessarily a bad thing. 

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3 minutes ago, Declan said:

She always was the COMIN Party’s candidate. But on current evidence she’s going to improve its competence levels, so not necessarily a bad thing. 

Chris Grayling would improve their competence levels

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33 minutes ago, thesultanofsheight said:

As predicted right from the very start they’ve given Christian the DOI post. Seems like Callister well and truly put his foot in it by saying his appointment was interim. They clearly had their eye on her and were holding it open pending election results. Why would anyone decide to do that?

Fresh political meat for the DOI Mincer...maybe she's seen as some sort of threat and they want to discredit her from the outset?

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1 hour ago, 2112 said:

Not a sausage about Paul Quine. Perhaps he hasn’t done much ground work with the people that ‘matter’. 

 

ICBA looking through the MTTV video but I think he said he would not join a Department for this period. I suppose he wants to see how things arefirst.

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4 hours ago, Non-Believer said:

Fresh political meat for the DOI Mincer...maybe she's seen as some sort of threat and they want to discredit her from the outset?

That’s highly likely too. Either way it’s very cowardly to effectively wait for someone who isn’t even elected to be elected just so you can give them a job that clearly no other fucker wants! 

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On 9/13/2020 at 7:44 PM, TheTeapot said:

That Devon bloke who is probably in all of those groups, is going for a seat at DBC according to something on fb

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