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18 minutes ago, Manximus Aururaneus said:

At least we now know that this must be down to the Unions rather than the individual teachers themselves. Here are a few quotes from one of the few on here not too embarrassed to own up to being teacher, seems rather happy with his pay packet.

I can hear you patting yourself on the back for this stunning piece of investigative journalism from here.

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1 hour ago, Meoir Shee said:

Open University, by definition, is targeted at adults not 4-18 year olds in the main.

Remote PE lessons?  Not much team sport/social development there.

Remote Science demonstrations/experiments, who provides the equipment/chemicals?  Health and Safety disaster.

Remote Design and Technology, do most households have specialist equipment on hand?

Remote ICT, would probably need Island wide software licenses, might be feasible.

Remote English/Maths etc, probably much easier to initially resource but surely there is a time and a place for one to one support/advice/guidance?

Teaching 4 year olds to write remotely, good luck.

Getting thousands of parents to cope with all this, priceless.

Also, some kid’s lives are crap, being at school is a salvation.

Furthermore, some kids/households will do absolutely nothing.

Not convinced this has been fully thought through.

 


 

 

The thought has just been put up on a internet forum, but your post is very good because it offers argument to supply suggestion.

6 months ago most people would have considered home working as being impossible but of course since the lockdown many employees and employers alike have discovered that home working is a valuable option.

It won't work for the oft quoted bricklayer, or the car mechanic...etc. Much like many of the exceptions to home-schooling you have quoted. Actually PE could be done from home (ask your Mum/Dad about The Green Goddess /joke) but team sports would use the school facilities as normal.

One to one teaching would still be available as necessary. Use the teachers expertise as required.

You seem to think that such an alternative schooling would have to happen overnight.  It wouldn't. It couldn't. Phase it in. No one is asking thousands of parents to cope with all this. Some might though, if the incentive is right.

Anyway, I would say home schooling is being phased in.

Current teachers would still look after the children with 'crap lives'.  If their households will do absolutely nothing, teachers can do all that still. Tough I know, but some might feel it better to teach 'crap lives' kids than painting fences.

1 hour ago, HeliX said:

Full-time remote schooling would grow the disparity between children from stable homes with capable parents, and those not. Schools are very important for lifting the disadvantaged. 

The schooling would not be 'full-time' (see above re sports, one to one teaching). You are probably right though, such a system might grow the disparity etc, but who knows?

Education is a lot more than levelling the field, although I might be a bit behind the woke times with that one.

 

1 hour ago, Meoir Shee said:


Why not go back a few short years:

Junior Doctors are expensive and maybe now is the time to question the efficiency of the whole system shebang.

Working from home, then why not operations from home? It's not just for lockdown.

50 years ago, many people were cynical about Open University, which used Royal Mail and CRT television, broadcasting at some unearthly late or early hour on BBC2. But it has worked. 

How about structured and supervised operations from home. It would need talented and well paid Junior Doctors to be involved (I would draw them from the pool of Junior Doctors who didn't vote to strike, but that may be missing a trick, I don't know) and this could be a ground breaker for the rest of the world to follow. 

The Isle of Man would be a perfect testing ground. Along with the lockdown, the strike hungry Junior Doctors have provided the impetus.

And that garden fence* does need to be finished. Maybe they could spend the rest of their days painting garden fences for a living.

 

*painting the garden fence is the chosen metaphor but watching box sets would also work but one can't really earn a living from watching box sets on the settee

 

No. Please don't compare teachers with Junior Doctors. Ever. 
Some of the teachers I know/knew I wouldn't trust to put a sticking plaster on.

Perhaps the meoir protesteth too much.

Home schooling has been around for yonks but it is now time for it to be encouraged and progressed. For lots of reasons.

 

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You'd have thought that being responsible for the education of their children, even for a short time, would have made some parents reconsider what an easy job they thought it was.  But no, they still seem to believe that it is simultaneously a doddle and so onerous that teachers should be taking care of the kids 24/365.

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3 hours ago, gettafa said:

Parents of neighbours who are able to stay at home, could take other children in. Their choice who they take in of course. And they could be paid to do so. Schools would become mini schools in peoples house, classes of say half a dozen.

With all the technology that is available, the traditional system is inefficient. It needs a reset. Yeah, there would still be sports and other communal lessons, the school building would still be of use.

Oh, and just think of all the 4x4 diesel and congestion of our roads that would be saved. Etc.

 

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Those that chose not to do any schoolwork whatsoever would end up dunces and could help those former teachers with painting peoples fences and that as a career

Unfortunately, that won't be happening any time soon. The days of neighbours looking after children disappeared years ago. Elf and safety coupled with nosey gits with nothing better to do than report to the authorities put paid to it

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4 hours ago, Neil Down said:

I was with you all the way up until your third sentence. From my experience with my grandchildren, and other parents in our office, today's teachers distance themselves very quickly from any form of discipline let alone counselling. They are more likely to pick up the phone and get the child collected from school

And quite right too. Why waste your time on trying to discipline those that can't be disciplined, especially since the parents don't give a shit.

Counselling however is a different thing. I think all teachers these days are trained to spot certain signs in a child's behaviour and look after their welfare.

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5 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

And quite right too. Why waste your time on trying to discipline those that can't be disciplined, especially since the parents don't give a shit.

Counselling however is a different thing. I think all teachers these days are trained to spot certain signs in a child's behaviour and look after their welfare. the other way

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4 hours ago, Andy Onchan said:

I think you'll find that's not the case. If you are absolutely 100% sure that has happened then you should contact DOE.

You assume I haven't?

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8 hours ago, Meoir Shee said:

Junior Doctors are expensive and maybe now is the time to question the efficiency of the whole system shebang.

Working from home, then why not operations from home? It's not just for lockdown.

To be honest policeman the GPs here seem to be very clearly moving towards preliminary phone and video consultations as the norm. Looks like very effective use of time too. So if you can give very detailed accounts of your embarrassing intimate complaint to a doctor over Zoom without security fears why can’t a child receive some form of distance learning? 

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