P.K. Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 21 minutes ago, Banker said: The newspaper must have just printed the Union handout with no balance whatsoever! http://www.iomtoday.co.im/article.cfm?id=57795&headline=Teaching union to discuss next steps§ionIs=NEWS&searchyear=2020 The "newspaper" article also unfortunately failed to mention what the dispute was about.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 38 minutes ago, Banker said: The newspaper must have just printed the Union handout with no balance whatsoever! http://www.iomtoday.co.im/article.cfm?id=57795&headline=Teaching union to discuss next steps§ionIs=NEWS&searchyear=2020 But to be fair they print government handouts without any balance either, so it sort of evens out. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trostagh Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 You could never accuse the Isle of Man mainstream media of investigative journalism could you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 1 hour ago, trostagh said: You could never accuse the Isle of Man mainstream media of investigative anything approaching journalism could you? Fixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted September 23, 2020 Author Share Posted September 23, 2020 Report into education published, have to remember Cregeen was in charge. https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/critical-report-says-schools-and-desc-relationship-fractured/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trostagh Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 You should bother yourself to read it mate. It’s fuck all to do with Cregeen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, trostagh said: You should bother yourself to read it mate. It’s fuck all to do with Cregeen. He never does, just posts random links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 minute ago, trostagh said: You should bother yourself to read it mate. It’s fuck all to do with Cregeen. It's an absolutely typical report for the Manx Government. Rather than admit the main problem is that the CEO is incompetent and has been throwing his weight around to compensate (and that some of his underlings aren't much better) and that the obvious and quickest thing would be to get rid of them, the expert consultants had decided that what is needed is a long and complicated reorganisation involving the appointment of lots more senior civil servants and board members and no doubt all their appropriate hangers-on. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted September 23, 2020 Author Share Posted September 23, 2020 13 minutes ago, trostagh said: You should bother yourself to read it mate. It’s fuck all to do with Cregeen. The buck stops with the minister in charge who was Cregeen who stated numerous times he was in constant contact with his executive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trostagh Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 11 minutes ago, Banker said: The buck stops with the minister in charge who was Cregeen who stated numerous times he was in constant contact with his executive But, to be fair to Graham, he just wandered round like Frank Spencer while the world revolved around his ickle head. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted September 23, 2020 Author Share Posted September 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, trostagh said: But, to be fair to Graham, he just wandered round like Frank Spencer while the world revolved around his ickle head. Cregeen and the CEO should have been sacked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Can't blame Cregeen. He wouldn't have had a clue what was going on and they'd have run rings around him. He wouldn't have made any decisions - not even one. You could certainly argue that he should've known what was going on but that's not how things work here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman34 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 (edited) The report is pretty devastating, and should lead to the CEO and Director going, but I bet they won't. Getting rid of the Board of Education and removing powers from school governors was a deliberate move by the civil servants at the Department of Education. It was designed to increase their power, lessen their accountability, and make their jobs safe in a climate of cost-cutting. The report suggests re-creating the Board of Education, but making it answerable to the minister. As previously constituted, the 'minister' was the chairman of the board which had real power and credibility as it was popularly elected. Board members were also the school governors, and the system worked ok. It could again. Financial responsibility has been delegated to headteachers, but not the power to make decisions that should go with it, and that needs fixing. The idea that HR take over pay negotiations seems sensible, until you factor in their uselessness. Just let the unions and treasury sort it between them. Sport and Culture should be taken off the DESC, or they'll screw that up as well. Edited September 23, 2020 by manxman34 typo 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 23 minutes ago, manxman34 said: The report is pretty devastating, and should lead to the CEO and Director going, but I bet they won't. Getting rid of the Board of Education and removing powers from school governors was a deliberate move by the civil servants at the Department of Education. It was designed to increase their power, lessen their accountability, and make their jobs safe in a climate of cost-cutting. The report suggests re-creating the Board of Education, but making it answerable to the minister. As previously constituted, the 'minister' was the chairman of the board which had real power and credibility as it was popularly elected. Board members were also the school governors, and the system worked ok. It could again. Financial responsibility has been delegated to headteachers, but not the power to make decisions that should go with it, and that needs fixing. The idea that HR take over pay negotiations seems sensible, until you factor in their uselessness. Just let the unions and treasury sort it between them. Sport and Culture should be taken off the DESC, or they'll screw that up as well. One of the astonishing things about the Beamans report is that they seem completely unaware of the role or existence of the old Board of Education. Presumably their in-depth investigation into the DESC didn't go as far as looking it up on Wikipedia. It's also worth saying that their work was all done in August according to their website: So it took place when the schools were shut and they may never have even have set foot on the Island. Naturally with this level of expertise, their recommendations consist of "Do what the English do". Though to be fair even they seem to have realised what a poisonous mess the Department is - but we could have told them that for free. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheldon Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 hour ago, trostagh said: You should bother yourself to read it mate. It’s fuck all to do with Cregeen. Do you teach Reception, or Year 1? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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