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Unions seem to be getting rather irate that government haven’t got money to pay them an extra 9% plus £1.75m lump sums on top of 2.75% they have already had this year. personally I think they are

I agree with you. Offered a deal and refused it. That funding was used during the pandemic to pay people for not working, including some teachers and to prop up businesses. Now they complain that th

Teaching assistants are needed because the Island has no special schools for children with serious physical or cognitive impairments, and no pupil referral units for the most unruly. This means classe

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2 hours ago, manxman34 said:

Some more senior people are on gardening leave. What about the likes of Hooper?

Well Hooper is the same as Cregeen, Teflon!!

Hooper likes to give stick to other politicians particularly female ones like Julie Edge but is basically useless himself 

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42 minutes ago, NoTail said:

I'm afraid he wasn't a very good accountant 

Nor was Spewin’ Juan by all...ahem...accounts.

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5 hours ago, finlo said:

I bet it's paid as though it is!

It is, and when the bloke who was doing it went, he was replaced with 2. 

 

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2 hours ago, Banker said:

Well Hooper is the same as Cregeen, Teflon!!

Hooper likes to give stick to other politicians particularly female ones like Julie Edge but is basically useless himself 

Hooper is busy on Twitter trying to pretend he had all the answers but was ignored.  He was there throughout, sniggering with Cregeen.  Anybody who thinks he’s anything but a conniving, self-interested charlatan needs their bumps felt.

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7 hours ago, trostagh said:

Hooper is busy on Twitter trying to pretend he had all the answers but was ignored.  He was there throughout, sniggering with Cregeen.  Anybody who thinks he’s anything but a conniving, self-interested charlatan needs their bumps felt.

Liberal Vannin seems to be a magnet for the less wholesome kind of candidate.

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2 minutes ago, Uhtred said:

Liberal Vannin seems to be a magnet for the less wholesome kind of candidate.

Their chairman is an idiot. Douglas South, and consequently the whole Isle of Man, dodged a bullet.

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2 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

Their chairman is an idiot. Douglas South, and consequently the whole Isle of Man, dodged a bullet.

I have no doubt that you’re right.

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8 hours ago, trostagh said:

Hooper is busy on Twitter trying to pretend he had all the answers but was ignored.  He was there throughout, sniggering with Cregeen.  Anybody who thinks he’s anything but a conniving, self-interested charlatan needs their bumps felt.

Like his role in DfE for Business.

He has not just let the teachers down, he has let businesses on the island down badly.

Can anyone state, one instant where he has done anything for businesses on Island ?

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Holte End said:

Like his role in DfE for Business.

He has not just let the teachers down, he has let businesses on the island down badly.

Can anyone state, one instant where he has done anything for businesses on Island ?

 

 

 

The only one he has helped is himself into the cabinet office as he’s now one of Howies favorites!

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6 hours ago, Non-Believer said:

It has taken an impartial external review to expose this situation and these failings. Now obviously this is the purpose of the review, it's what these things are for.

What is worrying IMHO is that those at the top of this Dept had apparently allowed this situation and failings to develop and were either blind to them or disinterested enough to ignore them. Or, perhaps had any concerns dismissed if they had indeed flagged them up. 

A lot of the failings, particularly the structural ones have been know for a long time and date back before Barr - the lack of independent inspection for example.  And people have also been pointing them out for a long time, including in Tynwald.  The Beamans' report is basically doing what consultants often have to do in weak organisations - saying what everybody knows but are too scared to say or too lazy to act on.

Whether their solution is the right one is another matter.  Here they are doing the other thing that consultants traditionally do - telling the client what they want to hear.  As Quayle started off the elaborate reorganisation of the Manx NHS, he wants to be reassured that he did the right thing and Beamans are hardly going to tell him they sold him a crock of shit.  So they have proposed an elaborate corporate and corporatised structure that is even more inappropriate for education that it is for the NHS.

Of course civil servants love corporatisation - it removes even more of what fragile power the politicians have over them and means that everyone, civil servants and board members alike, get paid loads more.  But as well as costing a lot more and producing massively over-elaborate structures for such a small country, in this case it is likely to make worse the very problem it is supposed to solve - the bad relationship between Departments and schools.

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36 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

A lot of the failings, particularly the structural ones have been know for a long time and date back before Barr - the lack of independent inspection for example.  And people have also been pointing them out for a long time, including in Tynwald.  The Beamans' report is basically doing what consultants often have to do in weak organisations - saying what everybody knows but are too scared to say or too lazy to act on.

Whether their solution is the right one is another matter.  Here they are doing the other thing that consultants traditionally do - telling the client what they want to hear.  As Quayle started off the elaborate reorganisation of the Manx NHS, he wants to be reassured that he did the right thing and Beamans are hardly going to tell him they sold him a crock of shit.  So they have proposed an elaborate corporate and corporatised structure that is even more inappropriate for education that it is for the NHS.

Of course civil servants love corporatisation - it removes even more of what fragile power the politicians have over them and means that everyone, civil servants and board members alike, get paid loads more.  But as well as costing a lot more and producing massively over-elaborate structures for such a small country, in this case it is likely to make worse the very problem it is supposed to solve - the bad relationship between Departments and schools.

Well with the right minister in charge & Executive with correct competencies everything should run correctly.

Alex A is a more listening and conciliatory person than Cregeen so that will help. However no matter what the unions also need to tone down their demands as no one visit going to give them the extra pay they want on top of reducing hours & improving pensions 

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11 minutes ago, Banker said:

Well with the right minister in charge & Executive with correct competencies everything should run correctly.

Alex A is a more listening and conciliatory person than Cregeen so that will help. However no matter what the unions also need to tone down their demands as no one visit going to give them the extra pay they want on top of reducing hours & improving pensions 

You clearly don't understand the structural failings identified in the report.

 

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