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15 minutes ago, manxman34 said:

You clearly don't understand the structural failings identified in the report.

 

As I said right executive in charge and if they’re not at present then they need changing 

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If you are home from your wandering, after quarantine of course, perhaps you should apply for the job.   Your vast amount of knowledge I am sure would be indispensable, if you think this lot can be sorted out by one man .    Greedy teachers and Unions who are just trying to prove they are vital in this broken world are the problem, they asked to be paid the same as their English counterparts....tick...now they want more because of the cost of living that every other, man, woman and child have to pay.....priceless.

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1 hour ago, Banker said:

Well with the right minister in charge & Executive with correct competencies everything should run correctly.

Alex A is a more listening and conciliatory person than Cregeen so that will help. However no matter what the unions also need to tone down their demands as no one visit going to give them the extra pay they want on top of reducing hours & improving pensions 

Isn't your first point an oxymoron?  In the last 20 years - which reflects my age - I can't think of a minister who had the intellect or commitment to the job to be 'right' for it.

Maybe some of the chief executives have been up to the challenge, but they get tripped up constantly by the politicians IMO.  They aren't really chief executives, because everything significant has to be run past the politicians first.  In DESC it may be that there was/is antagonism between civil servants and head teachers and their unions, but there is probably aggro between civil servants and politicians too - recipe for dysfunction.

As for Manx public sector unions, they have been used to getting their own way for years - so we have high salaries, all sorts of weird and restrictive practices and an automatic view that if they rattle the sabre they will win.

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6 hours ago, Banker said:

...he’s now one of Howies favorites!

A badge of dishonour.

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Hahahahahahaha... hahahahahahahahaha.. was a primary teacher once.  So far distant from any sort of management.  If his GTS post is anything to go by, expect long worded press releases with Bullshit Bingo opportunities all over it.

 

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On 9/26/2020 at 10:03 AM, Roger Mexico said:

The Beamans' report is basically doing what consultants often have to do in weak organisations - saying what everybody knows but are too scared to say or too lazy to act on.

Whether their solution is the right one is another matter.  Here they are doing the other thing that consultants traditionally do - telling the client what they want to hear.  As Quayle started off the elaborate reorganisation of the Manx NHS, he wants to be reassured that he did the right thing and Beamans are hardly going to tell him they sold him a crock of shit.  So they have proposed an elaborate corporate and corporatised structure that is even more inappropriate for education that it is for the NHS.

Could not agree more. How long was it between Beamans in the NHS and the notification of the Independent Review? Few years?

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Nice to hear Sideshow Bob on the radio this morning.  For the record, he has not ‘met with the unions’ and his ‘disappointment’ that one of them has escalated its action should be tempered by the fact that he’s known it was going to happen for a month, was officially informed three weeks ago and has not replied to requests for an urgent meeting to discuss ways in which the escalation could be prevented.

Just before you all start on the ‘greedy teachers’ again..... 

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5 minutes ago, trostagh said:

Nice to hear Sideshow Bob on the radio this morning.  For the record, he has not ‘met with the unions’ and his ‘disappointment’ that one of them has escalated its action should be tempered by the fact that he’s known it was going to happen for a month, was officially informed three weeks ago and has not replied to requests for an urgent meeting to discuss ways in which the escalation could be prevented.

Just before you all start on the ‘greedy teachers’ again..... 

none of that disproves that the teachers are being greedy for their demands though? 

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29 minutes ago, trostagh said:

Nice to hear Sideshow Bob on the radio this morning.  For the record, he has not ‘met with the unions’ and his ‘disappointment’ that one of them has escalated its action should be tempered by the fact that he’s known it was going to happen for a month, was officially informed three weeks ago and has not replied to requests for an urgent meeting to discuss ways in which the escalation could be prevented.

But it was always perfectly clear that problems with DESC weren't just due to Barr, he was just clumsy enough to make them obviously.  So another civil servant from the same Department and bureaucratic culture is just going to mean more of the same.   

It was obvious from the PAC evidence that those in the Department saw their job as having lots of meetings with each other and perhaps producing an occasional report[1], but there was no responsibility for what they were supposed to be in charge of - education of the Island's children.  Even the idea of any contact with those supposed to be delivering that (the teachers) was regarded as a distraction[2].

And when anything goes wrong, the only thing they know how to do is to find someone external to blame.  There is no need or desire to actually fix things, just to maintain your position.  We saw this with Barr blaming the unions for things which were entirely his own responsibility.

As I've pointed out before it produces the rather odd spectacle of not particularly coherent civil servants making angry and unhelpful political points while the politicians are having to smooth things over and trying make the Department look better and make things work (we also saw this with Hooper and the NSC when Cregeen was in hiding).  Which I suppose tells you where the real power lies.

 

[1]  This is fairly common in the Manx civil service - DfE is basically set up this way, interrupted with occasional hand out of large sums of money to mates.

[2]  You will notice that the new structure for DESC proposed by Beamans pretty much formalises this attitude, but with lots more civil servants.

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1 hour ago, manxst said:

none of that disproves that the teachers are being greedy for their demands though? 

My wife takes home today LESS than she did in 2008 - and she’s had a promotion in that time.

She got an increment this year that moved her into a higher superannuation tier.  So, increment plus massive pay rise = increase in net pay of £17.00 per month.  She is not atypical.  In the same time, inflation here has been almost 40%.

Try saying 2.75% is the biggest pay rise teachers have had for fifteen years  in a different tone.  

Lots leaving, many coming up to retirement and very few coming to take their places.  

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Speaking to parents there have been a lot of after school clubs stopped, very quietly without any press interest and certain sports activities at Bemahague don’t know about the others so the first stage of the striking teachers has started.  Shame on them they are greedy and careless about what the children are missing.   Teaching used to be a vocation now it seems to be a job for those who are unfit for any other work.   Disgusting, I hope the government do not give into them.   With all the holidays they get they only work for two thirds of the year.

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Bringing inflation into a case for more money does not wash we have all been subject to inflation a lot of people earning a lot less than your wife.   It would be interesting to know what positions the leaving teachers are taking up let us hope they do not get shell shock when they realise what their holiday entitlement is in their new job.

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