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33 minutes ago, thesultanofsheight said:

All is revealed. We fucked up. But after the apology by IOMG in the headline and the early part of the release it’s made to look like a joint effort via a promise for IOMG and Aurigny to work together closer in future. 

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/government-apologises-after-plane-mix-up/

Still manages to hedge the issue of what actually happened, ATC were open at 11.00 that is notamed, so either Aurigny had filed a flight plan and were not aware of the notamed opening hours, can't believe that, or some other arrangement was made which didn't happen at this end !

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You're having a laugh! Because bad organisation always starts at the top. IOMG is the epitome of the expression "over managed and under led" and that's how they like it....

Blowing in the wind by now, Gladys. Along with any other truths about what goes on over here half the time, due to a total culture of unaccountability and responsibility within certainly, the upp

Contacts within the airport tell me that the director has issued an email to all airport staff basically exonerating the management team of any responsibility and slapping the blame firmly on Aurigny.

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3 hours ago, Mattshaw15 said:

Word from people that work at the airport is that ‘Dr’ Jeremy Spake was hired to replace the outgoing Aerodrome Operations Manager. Of his own volition he began correcting people that referred to him as AOM and insisted on ‘Just call me Dad!!’. This continued to the point that he is now accepted as the ‘Deputy Airport Director’. This little move seemingly comes with a pay hike to Director scales - which are unavailable to us the public...as for what he does? Divides and demoralises.

Deputy Airport Director payband 37 Available to the public here https://hr.gov.im/media/1040/apr-2020-psc-ntns.pdf

Sorry to spoil the conspiracy theory

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6 minutes ago, asitis said:

Still manages to hedge the issue of what actually happened,

Ain't that the case? As alway, in the absence of facts, we, will always fill in the gaps?

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Well it is a joint fuck up really.

Airport agreed to open early, handlers etc were there but no main airport services.

But Aurigny ops should have been all too aware of that NOTAM still being there and queried it before letting the aircraft depart.

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3 minutes ago, asitis said:

Still manages to hedge the issue of what actually happened, ATC were open at 11.00 that is notamed, so either Aurigny had filed a flight plan and were not aware of the notamed opening hours, can't believe that, or some other arrangement was made which didn't happen at this end !

Yes but if you read it and filter it for PR speak it actually says:

Government apologizes after plane mix up [we did it]

Rugby charter diverted as Ronaldsway was shut [ie, the airport wasn’t open to accept a landing plane]

Government has apologized [we have categorically apologized for our error by name] after a plane carrying rugby teams from Guernsey was turned away from the Isle of Man at the weekend because Ronaldsway airport wasn't open in time. [ie, the airport wasn’t open]

A statement issued this evening says: "a rugby charter from Guernsey to the Isle of Man made an unscheduled stop in Manchester briefly due to Air Traffic Control in the Isle of Man not being open initially. [Ie, the airport wasn’t opened by us on time to accept the plane]
 
"Both the IOM Government and Aurigny [the airline who didn’t shut the airport] would like to apologise for the delay incurred, which was due to a communication breakdown. [ie, we’d like to save embarrassment by loosely claiming there was some sort of communications breakdown by one party]
 
"The flight continued on to the Isle of Man with no further issues [other than the airport being initially shut] and the return flight was delayed an hour and a half to ensure that the rugby match was completed in good time.[ie, they missed the kick off time of the game due to the delay so the return had to be extended].
 
"Aurigny [who are not connected to this cock up, but are mentioned by association] and the IOM Government continue to work together and are proud of the airbridge between the islands which has enabled many locals to take holidays and also competitive sporting events to be held with no restrictions [other than the restriction that airports have not always been open]

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10 minutes ago, buncha wankas said:

I thought Rob C MHK was the official communication officer for government 

No, but he is the politicians in charge of Ports (as if any of them are in charge of anything).

Gladys is right in that it is really difficult to find out any details about the Airport from official sources.  Most airports have their own dedicated websites full of helpful information for traveller, lots of social media contact and so on.  Guernsey (who have about the same number of annual passengers as the IOM) have a full user-friendly website with full use of social media and annual reports.  The Isle of Man's information is hidden away on the Government website[1] and you need to click around to get what information there is.  Its link to its own Facebook page doesn't work and when you find it, like the Twitter, it is only updated  rarely and doesn't look for (or get) any public engagement.

 

[1]  Which like much of that monster manages the difficult balance of looking incredibly out of date without appearing charmingly retro.

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5 minutes ago, piebaps said:

Sorry to spoil the conspiracy theory

....but it doesn't really  does it ?

There is nothing to stop us speculating on the wink winks and promises that may see this person advancing to the Directors role?  Just 'When'?

 

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23 minutes ago, Kopek said:

Surely a typical, face saving, Govt response? Don't blame Aurigny for not checking the opening time, nor us for not having RWY open before the posted time???

In the current 'Go guernsey' camaraderie our govt would not say 'stupid buggers' for not checking the opening times , even if that is what they feel!!!

It matters not what the management structure is, they are not going to blame theirselves for any failing, public or private industry, until it absolutely necessary!!! They fear it may well come back to bite them in their turn!

Hard as it may be, a little though into our Govts thinking will make it all as clear as mud!

I may be naive, but I don't  think planes just show up on the off chance. 

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16 minutes ago, piebaps said:

Deputy Airport Director payband 37 Available to the public here https://hr.gov.im/media/1040/apr-2020-psc-ntns.pdf

Sorry to spoil the conspiracy theory

Actually @Mattshaw15 said "This little move seemingly comes with a pay hike to Director scales - which are unavailable to us the public", which is sort of true because the Pay Scales for the Corporate Leadership Group - the which the Airport Director obviously belongs - don't say who gets what among the elect.  So if Spake was 'acting up' he'd no doubt be paid some amount from there.  If he's back to his current job title as Reynolds lost her new unnecessary post, he'll have to do with a mere £76,487 - £89,219.  Not even as much as the Director of Motorsports.

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8 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

No, but he is the politicians in charge of Ports (as if any of them are in charge of anything).

That doesn't mean Callister had any input into the Govt response?

Responsibility> Ok, hang him!!!!

Do established Airlines google 'open airports' and go with that? Or are there official lines that they would be better following?

I've often wondered what use the Radio 4 'Shipping Forecasts' are? Do any Skippers rely on this info for their sailing plans? Or do they just Google it!!!

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18 minutes ago, Gladys said:

I may be naive, but I don't  think planes just show up on the off chance. 

See subsequent posts. I don't think that I imply that? Just the opposite in fact!

Sorry, a more succinct response is that it is Aurignys fault but that our Govt do not want to put the blame on our new found friends?

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Also, RWY opened at 11am, Aurigny landed at 12.30? What happened in that gap?

MCR are a busy airport, could that have explained the delay??? Or were the subsequent phone calls a part of the problem? RWY stayed open later for them to complete, whatr?, a bloody rugby game!

Was that an expense 'we' should not have paid for?

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