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2 hours ago, GD4ELI said:

Not at all. The rock gets away with a great deal, for example defence spending in line with NATO would cripple the economy. Were the place not run by major league idiots it would be much better.

 

You must be glad to be in England with such a top notch team running the place.

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What's been lost could have been a real asset for Manx Tourism. What was lost could have featured on Channel 5s Scenic Railway Journeys, showcasing the Isle Of Man to an international audience. Port Erin - Ramsey via Douglas & St John's. Ramsey to Snaefell Summit via Laxey would be up there with the best Railway Journeys in the World. 

Douglas to Peel would be an attraction now, of course, and would allow a Commuter Service to operate to all the Major towns and City if Government ever want to do so. 

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5 hours ago, MANANNAN said:

What's been lost could have been a real asset for Manx Tourism. What was lost could have featured on Channel 5s Scenic Railway Journeys, showcasing the Isle Of Man to an international audience. Port Erin - Ramsey via Douglas & St John's. Ramsey to Snaefell Summit via Laxey would be up there with the best Railway Journeys in the World. 

Douglas to Peel would be an attraction now, of course, and would allow a Commuter Service to operate to all the Major towns and City if Government ever want to do so. 

You could hardly class the Peel to Douglas line as scenic, it is boring just walking along the route as it is the same old view along its entire lenght, all you can see is hedgerows and fields you can see that anywhere on the Island.

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5 hours ago, MANANNAN said:

What's been lost could have been a real asset for Manx Tourism. What was lost could have featured on Channel 5s Scenic Railway Journeys, showcasing the Isle Of Man to an international audience. Port Erin - Ramsey via Douglas & St John's. Ramsey to Snaefell Summit via Laxey would be up there with the best Railway Journeys in the World. 

Douglas to Peel would be an attraction now, of course, and would allow a Commuter Service to operate to all the Major towns and City if Government ever want to do so. 

It was uneconomic when we had 10 times the number of visitors we have now.

People like you live in La La Land.

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On 8/18/2020 at 1:00 PM, Declan said:

You must have been about 8!

That's who I meant. He played a lot of the punk / indie gigs in the late 80's. He used to have puppets of pirates that made no sense.

Apparently when Bushy's had it's comedy nights with professional comedians from across he was booked to be the support. After the soundcheck he was so bad the comedian refused to go on after him and he was dropped from the line-up. Although that comedians subsequent failure to become a household name, some might say, is proof that they weren't very good at comedy and were worried that Ian would upstage them.

Saw him delivering Couriers around The Rovers area after finishing operating the crossing. 

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3 hours ago, Derek Flint said:

So were horse trams when we had that tenth. Didn’t stop us investing a disproportionate amount of wonga in them!

Actually the horse trams didn't lose that much money even quite recently (at least compared to the railways) and I suspect made a bit even in the 70s when the Peel line was being ripped up as uneconomic.  It's only since Longworth and the DoI have got their hands on them to 'invest' in completely unnecessary projects like the new stables and the constantly relaid tracks to enable whatever transport fantasy there is this week, that the money has begun to gush away on them.

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33 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

Actually the horse trams didn't lose that much money even quite recently (at least compared to the railways) and I suspect made a bit even in the 70s when the Peel line was being ripped up as uneconomic.  It's only since Longworth and the DoI have got their hands on them to 'invest' in completely unnecessary projects like the new stables and the constantly relaid tracks to enable whatever transport fantasy there is this week, that the money has begun to gush away on them.

The corpagh binned them off because they were costing £400k per annum.

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11 minutes ago, Derek Flint said:

The corpagh binned them off because they were costing £400k per annum.

Wasn't it £250k pa which promptly rose to £400k under Gawne/DOI?

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18 minutes ago, Derek Flint said:

The corpagh binned them off because they were costing £400k per annum.

They were actually losing only about £200K a year fairly consistently.  The Corpy only got rid of them because their Councillors revolted against a scheme of Christian's for an expensive rebuild of the stables and they were suddenly declared too expensive if they couldn't spend a lot more money on them.  A concept that tells you everything about the way Manx public finances are run.

In actual fact a lot of the £200k seems to have been due to the Corpy loading their very high management costs on top of it (as with the golf course I quoted a few days back which was about a third).  And in the first year that the DoI ran them[1], the horse trams actually only made a loss of around £60k.  Ashford then complained (see next page) that this was because the DoI weren't apportioning management costs to it, not realising what a tremendous 'self-own' this was about just how bloated this implied Douglas Council, as run by him and his mate Christian, had become.

Naturally once Longworth and Black and the DoI crew got their hands properly on things, this couldn't last.  The new stables were built and expensive temporary ones used as well and money money splashed around on loads of Prom-related nonsense.

There's a saying in systems theory that: "The purpose of a system is what it does".  In other words you shouldn't look at what those carrying out projects claim to be the reasons for them, but at what the actual results are.   These people claim to be at all about preserving and enhancing vintage transport systems.  But what they are actually doing is spending very large amounts of taxpayers' money without doing much for vintage transport and actually sometimes destroying that heritage.  So the purpose is the spending of the money and supporters of vintage transport shouldn't be tricked into backing what they do.

 

[1]  To be fair to Gawne this was the only year (2106) he was  'in charge'.

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They were including rental charges for their office accommodation, etc. etc. as part of the horse tram costs - no doubt at full commercial rates.

You can make practically anything look as though it's losing buckets of money with the "right" sort of creative accounting.

New stables have not been built. The old Victorian ones are still to be used for the horses. 

There is a new tram shed. The old one had to be demolished before it fell down of its own accord - probably because no-one spent any money on maintenance. The temporary marquee is still in place, even though it's been empty for ages. Perhaps they have a cunning plan for that.

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3 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

Actually the horse trams didn't lose that much money even quite recently (at least compared to the railways) and I suspect made a bit even in the 70s when the Peel line was being ripped up as uneconomic.  It's only since Longworth and the DoI have got their hands on them to 'invest' in completely unnecessary projects like the new stables and the constantly relaid tracks to enable whatever transport fantasy there is this week, that the money has begun to gush away on them.

Circa £200k is a lot of money. Do you work for the DoI?

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5 minutes ago, dilligaf said:

Hosting the TT costs shit loads. But as with the Horse trams, it brings in money. What the hell is so hard to understand about that ?

Nip down to the prom and look at the feckin mess caused by integrating a loss making nag tram,

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