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40 minutes ago, thesultanofsheight said:

It’s a published fact - 24 people have died so far here and 14 in Malta so exactly why have we handled it all so well by just closing the border compared to Malta? 

But you have to look at individual measures.  So it may well be that Malta did better in the first wave because they closed the borders etc earlier (11-13 March) while the Island waited till about a fortnight later to do equivalent things.  This reduced the number of cases[1] and so deaths (9).  The likelihood of the number of our deaths was partly driven by the higher rate of infection and even ignoring the Abbotswood cluster[2], the other 4 deaths on the Island will be higher per capita than Malta's initial 9.

But Malta, under pressure from the travel industry, announced at the start of June that they were going to reopen their borders on 1 July, with the intention of having a full tourist season.  They also started allowing local mass-events such as festas and loosening other restrictions.  Initially there was no resurgence, but these things take time to develop and by mid -August cases were peaking higher than before, restrictions had to reimposed, holidaymakers discovered that they would have to isolate when they returned home from 'safe' Malta, all events were cancelled and the attempt to recover the economy ended up crashing it.

In contrast the Isle of Man didn't open up in the same way and was able to benefit from that.  What you can't do is to look at the policies that were implemented in July and claim they were responsible for what happened, good or bad, several months earlier.

 

[1]  Like Jersey, Malta never managed to quite eliminate the virus after the first wave, but by mid-June they were recording only one or no new cases a day, when the cumulative total was about 675, about 130 per 100,000 people.  Our total of 336 (stabilising late May) is equivalent to 400 per 100,000. 

[2]  But we really can't ignore them and pretend that Abbotswood just 'happened'.  That will also be the result of policies from the DHSC and whether they were adopted or not.  As usual on the Island, the absence (indeed suppression) of government discussion may be the most telling thing.

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IoM Govt will be taking £100 off each resident. And that's just for starters...

Yes but they have a national debt two & a half times GDP and really know how to make money work for the nation as a whole Here it will be grants for landowners to help them get by

Also the reason we are the only parliament not to be at work , it’s to stop those people like Thomas & Edge asking awkward questions in person and following up with supplemental ones

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7 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

But you have to look at individual measures.  So it may well be that Malta did better in the first wave because they closed the borders etc earlier (11-13 March) while the Island waited till about a fortnight later to do equivalent things.  This reduced the number of cases[1] and so deaths (9).  The likelihood of the number of our deaths was partly driven by the higher rate of infection and even ignoring the Abbotswood cluster[2], the other 4 deaths on the Island will be higher per capita than Malta's initial 9.

But Malta, under pressure from the travel industry, announced at the start of June that they were going to reopen their borders on 1 July, with the intention of having a full tourist season.  They also started allowing local mass-events such as festas and loosening other restrictions.  Initially there was no resurgence, but these things take time to develop and by mid -August cases were peaking higher than before, restrictions had to reimposed, holidaymakers discovered that they would have to isolate when they returned home from 'safe' Malta, all events were cancelled and the attempt to recover the economy ended up crashing it.

In contrast the Isle of Man didn't open up in the same way and was able to benefit from that.  What you can't do is to look at the policies that were implemented in July and claim they were responsible for what happened, good or bad, several months earlier.

 

That’s just all subjective bollocks. The outcome is still less deaths than we have had so in terms of human loses its better than we’ve managed even though we have been shut off from the world for 6 months. This is just more subjective nonsense trying to justify our borders remaining closed indefinitely. 

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13 hours ago, thesultanofsheight said:

It’s a published fact - 24 people have died so far here and 14 in Malta so exactly why have we handled it all so well by just closing the border compared to Malta? 

It is also a published fact that 22 of those 24 were related to Abbotswood.

eta, what has all this got to do with a free £100?

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People I talk to from pretty much all backgrounds recognise the money situation is getting critical. We do have a thriving internal economy at one level, but the wider picture is much bleaker. There just doesn’t seem to be any golden goose waiting in the wings ready to lay the next golden egg. And without that, carrying on at the existing rate of expenditure cannot be sustainable.

On top of that, none of the existing strategies appear to have legs to really grow the economy to the level aspired, so what do we do? Surely a proper moratorium on further spending, recruitment has to be a start, whatever ‘message’ we think that sends out. It may be that the future for the Island is that is that of a safe enclave for VHNWI, and digital nomads, with a self supporting internal economy (I shop in your shop). That is attractive to some, but it isn’t going to need masses of government, infrastructure or administration. 

The future is still unclear, but we can’t just fiddle whilst it is burning. We need a clear vision as to what we are going to be and a solid strategy as to how we achieve it. The chances are, it may well have to be a whole lot less ambitious than it was going to be.

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At the end of the day Derek despite an 80% drop in air traffic we’re still paying all the airport staff to turn up at “work”, and were still paying horse tram drivers to pretend to be Covid marshalls as we can’t pay them to drive trams, and Manx National Heritage are paying pretty much everyone to stay at home and pretend to run castles and heritage sites from their front rooms. Not one person on furlough. In fact furlough never even discussed. We’ll just keep on paying them too until we run out of money. Any impact is only going to be felt by everyone else. 

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13 minutes ago, Southfork said:

At the end of the day Derek despite an 80% drop in air traffic we’re still paying all the airport staff to turn up at “work”, and were still paying horse tram drivers to pretend to be Covid marshalls as we can’t pay them to drive trams, and Manx National Heritage are paying pretty much everyone to stay at home and pretend to run castles and heritage sites from their front rooms. Not one person on furlough. In fact furlough never even discussed. We’ll just keep on paying them too until we run out of money. Any impact is only going to be felt by everyone else. 

Wow.

This.

Again.

Horrible truth.

But, we’re Covid free or something!

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24 minutes ago, Southfork said:

At the end of the day Derek despite an 80% drop in air traffic we’re still paying all the airport staff to turn up at “work”, and were still paying horse tram drivers to pretend to be Covid marshalls as we can’t pay them to drive trams, and Manx National Heritage are paying pretty much everyone to stay at home and pretend to run castles and heritage sites from their front rooms. Not one person on furlough. In fact furlough never even discussed. We’ll just keep on paying them too until we run out of money. Any impact is only going to be felt by everyone else. 

Think it's more like 90% drop which will shortly be 95% or more drop once Guernsey flights finish next week. All the non government workers at airport are on form of furlough and are extremely worried about jobs.

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On 9/10/2020 at 4:05 PM, Banker said:

Jersey also cutting NI to help boost economy, IOM finished MERA this month so Comin contribution to boosting economy is to add to unemployment but don’t worry economy booming according to cambon 

This - the Isle of Man Government is cutting support, not adding to it. Their support was much more miserly than elsewhere, that's probably a big part of why our unemployment is already up at 5% while in the UK, the latest figures have it below 4%.

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51 minutes ago, Southfork said:

At the end of the day Derek despite an 80% drop in air traffic we’re still paying all the airport staff to turn up at “work”, and were still paying horse tram drivers to pretend to be Covid marshalls as we can’t pay them to drive trams, and Manx National Heritage are paying pretty much everyone to stay at home and pretend to run castles and heritage sites from their front rooms. Not one person on furlough. In fact furlough never even discussed. We’ll just keep on paying them too until we run out of money. Any impact is only going to be felt by everyone else. 

It was a game of two halves during lockdown, apparently. Some were genuinely working all hours, grafting to put together the plans needed, where others were literally sat at home on full pay having a holiday. 

From a credible source. 

 

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1 hour ago, Banker said:

Think it's more like 90% drop which will shortly be 95% or more drop once Guernsey flights finish next week. All the non government workers at airport are on form of furlough and are extremely worried about jobs.

Yes I knew that. Just shows you that the effects will only be felt by the private sector even if some people in government are paid to do next to fuck all for years as a result of this. 

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6 hours ago, Derek Flint said:

People I talk to from pretty much all backgrounds recognise the money situation is getting critical. We do have a thriving internal economy at one level, but the wider picture is much bleaker. There just doesn’t seem to be any golden goose waiting in the wings ready to lay the next golden egg. And without that, carrying on at the existing rate of expenditure cannot be sustainable.

On top of that, none of the existing strategies appear to have legs to really grow the economy to the level aspired, so what do we do? Surely a proper moratorium on further spending, recruitment has to be a start, whatever ‘message’ we think that sends out. It may be that the future for the Island is that is that of a safe enclave for VHNWI, and digital nomads, with a self supporting internal economy (I shop in your shop). That is attractive to some, but it isn’t going to need masses of government, infrastructure or administration. 

The future is still unclear, but we can’t just fiddle whilst it is burning. We need a clear vision as to what we are going to be and a solid strategy as to how we achieve it. The chances are, it may well have to be a whole lot less ambitious than it was going to be.


Treasury are launching a preview of their recovery plan next week to the business sector

From what I've seen government appear to be mostly on the right track to establish the IOM as a green digital safe haven in a parlous world

They need to introduce elements of 'fairness' into this vision

& they'll have to invest considerably in digital infrastructure + developing the green economy

Can't stop spending now or the economy (& society) will fall flat on it's face

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