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H&B's are the biggest vandals of their own business and trade. Their pubs are basically dire and rubbish, their decor and atmosphere have been sacrificed on the altar of yuppiness, probably at great expense! They don't seem to appreciate what it is that pub goers actually like and it's cost them fortunes! Now they are asking £310,000 for the L.A. for conversion to a private house, £450,000 as a pub! They obviously don't need another outlet for their products!  

http://www.iomtoday.co.im/article.cfm?id=57816&headline=The Liverpool Arms has no future as a pub says brewery&sectionIs=NEWS&searchyear=2020

For a bit of balance, the Glen Mona has been put on the market. (H&B are still crap though!)

http://www.iomtoday.co.im/article.cfm?id=57823&headline=Sadness as landmark pub in the north of the island shutsLandmark pub's closure sparks sadness and shock&sectionIs=NEWS&searchyear=2020

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The business model has always been to remodel (at great expense and using off-Island 'specialists') their pubs to whatever is currently becoming unfashionable.  This might have worked in the days when

It's a situation that has arisen from what has effectively been a long term monopoly operated by a concern with far too much influence. A Markets and Monopolies Commission would have a field day

Breweries putting in Managers and getting rid of Land Lords was a death knell along with getting rid of the ability of Managers to earn from good food or restaurant in the pub. No doubt this was

It's a situation that has arisen from what has effectively been a long term monopoly operated by a concern with far too much influence.

A Markets and Monopolies Commission would have a field day with H&B. Covenants on what their cast off premises can be used for? Covenants on their monopoly supply of goods to those they have sold? They're having a laugh. At the expense of the dwindling number of pub goers that they have contributed to in no small way.

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Their plan may have been to let the LA fall into disrepair so not to be attractive to anyone wanting it as a pub. Their business model is crap

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2 hours ago, Neil Down said:

Their plan may have been to let the LA fall into disrepair so not to be attractive to anyone wanting it as a pub. Their business model is crap

Seems to be SOP. Britannia in Ramsey is another. Bet the Stanley follows suite.

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2 hours ago, Max Power said:

H&B's are the biggest vandals of their own business and trade. Their pubs are basically dire and rubbish, their decor and atmosphere have been sacrificed on the altar of yuppiness, probably at great expense!

 

Especially since Yuppies no longer really exist and their successors - the hipsters - are looking for something more individualistic.

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2 hours ago, Max Power said:

H&B's are the biggest vandals of their own business and trade. Their pubs are basically dire and rubbish, their decor and atmosphere have been sacrificed on the altar of yuppiness, probably at great expense! They don't seem to appreciate what it is that pub goers actually like and it's cost them fortunes!

The business model has always been to remodel (at great expense and using off-Island 'specialists') their pubs to whatever is currently becoming unfashionable.  This might have worked in the days when people were unaware of the latest trends, but since modern forms of communication have arrived, the punters are unlikely to be fooled.

Obviously this is pretty much the way the Manx Government works as well.

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It all comes down to the cost of the product, prices in pubs keep increasing and people have been more conscious of this since lockdown when they bought their own alcohol in and drank it in the comfort of their own homes.   The old pubs were an oasis for the lonely, a meeting place for friends with lots always going on a bit of music, darts, pool plus a friendly landlord behind the bar and always a good discussion going on around the bar about how to put the world right.   Now they are soulless, rounds a thing of the past altogether too expensive.  Once pubs started selling food the whole concept changed.  Happy days all gone but not forgotten.

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 Breweries putting in Managers and getting rid of Land Lords was a death knell along with getting rid of the ability of Managers to earn from good food or restaurant in the pub.

No doubt this was a model styled by accountants, this profession is guilty of ruining most leisure outlets with their need to gain money from any service.

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1 hour ago, Whatnonsence said:

 the ability of Managers to earn from good food or restaurant in the pub.

Sadly, I think this was part of the problem with the Liverpool Arms. The last time we went in there, the food and the service were dire.

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If you were to look at successful pubs in say London or Liverpool city centres, even in the yuppy 80s, they are and were old traditional pubs where people gather for lunch or an evening drink. Places with a soul and character are what people want, even the young are attracted to popular pubs. The places such as Oscars in Victoria Street do have their place but H&B have taken once popular spots such as the Bridge and British and ripped their heart out, and put in managers who have no idea about keeping a decent pint!   

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I enjoyed the liverpool arms, the issue is it's out the way. Running a mini bus or something would be excellent. I think though with rising prices the pub as a place to go and sit to chat is a dying trade. More people are looking for the dining experience. 

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14 minutes ago, thommo2010 said:

I enjoyed the liverpool arms, the issue is it's out the way. Running a mini bus or something would be excellent. I think though with rising prices the pub as a place to go and sit to chat is a dying trade. More people are looking for the dining experience. 

Graham and Danny ran a minibus service from there( free of charge). They ran a fantastic pub where the food was great, the beer good and service A1. Two very good hosts who deserved better. They did so much to help their customers, the likes of which won’t be seen again. Ever.

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