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24 minutes ago, De nada said:

I would have thought assaulting a police officer SHOULD be worth a jail sentence. Doesn't help the police force when you only get a  suspended sentence.

https://www.three.fm/news/isle-of-man-news/man-who-assaulted-police-officer-spared-jail/

Good job he didn’t break self isolation rules!!!

FFS we jail people for minor offences and suspend them for assault and sex offenses, what message does it send out?

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Twenty years ago when the schools became devolved and management of the school budgets lay with the head teachers is when things began to change. The money was and is in exam enrolment.  When the

That was a big McSteak.

Sigh. Why is it that we have to wait for a major incident (jail, controversy on the world wide stage) before someone realises that perhaps expecting workers to come from the U.K. to a different j

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1 minute ago, Banker said:

we jail people for minor offences and suspend them for assault and sex offenses, what message does it send out?

We are strong, resolute and clever. We will survive all odds. Don't mess with us. Yesterdays speech from Mr Boris Johnson ad infinitum....

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2 hours ago, Banker said:

Sigh.

Why is it that we have to wait for a major incident (jail, controversy on the world wide stage) before someone realises that perhaps expecting workers to come from the U.K. to a different jurisdiction with different laws to know the exact details of those laws. It’s all very well saying they should have read the forms, that the boss should have done his homework but the fact is they didn’t be he didn’t. If we’re serious about this then we have to make it completely clear as to the current position, the rules and the resultant behaviour of those rules are ignored.

There are a lot of people being paid extortionate amounts of money to ensure that the message is and always has been entirely clear  Just because the folks in charge understand, it doesn’t follow that everyone else does.

Even if these men knew the rules and continued to break them at least with ‘in your face’ warning signs and verbal communication there could have been absolutely no doubt of the rules and the penalty for breaking it. It still may not have stopped these men going to McDonalds to eat and to Tesco’s to buy booze but it would have saved our Island being the subject of uninformed debate world wide over these last few days.

Its not hard ffs. In any project you sit down and work out all the things that can go wrong not the things that can go right and you out in plans to ensure communication is entirely and utterly clear.

Again we’ve been forced into becoming reactive rather than proactive. Again and again it happens. And, again these are people who are paid shitloads of money to ensure this sort of nonsense doesn’t happen.

It’s not even as if they have the excuse of huge funding to get it right. A separate queue and a couple of posters and yet no-one thought of it. With all their brains and expertise no one thought to make it as water right as possible. I despair. Again. 

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3 hours ago, Banker said:

Why don’t you ask your hero Howie as you seem to think everything he does is wonderful 

You should learn to read and understand sunshine. The rotund one has and never will be my hero

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Looks like I might have a good point here. I'm applying for a job with the government.

The infrastructure Ministers says "the art of communication is over communication".

Sounds like something out of one of those management books you used to see at airports.  The One Minute Manager etc.

15 hours ago, Barlow said:

 

Hey, I got an idea, how about putting a reet big sign where they pick up their baggage too.

And them out side, bring the big red LED sign from the Mount Murray and have it flashing stuff about the rules. Or that yellow lights at each end of the TT Course about the mountain being one way or foggy and stuff.

Then get the Red Arrers to write the notices in the sky in red, white and blue smoke, over Douglas Bay. The rest of us can eat hamburgers and beer in plastic glasses and pretend it's TT.

  

 

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12 hours ago, ThreeRaccoonsInATrenchCoat said:

How would somebody in Tesco know to challenge them? Who exactly snitched on these people? 

They made it obvious by wearing face masks. I'm used to seeing the occasional single person wearing a face mask (usually an elderly person, probably classified as vulnerable) but a group of 5 of them going in mob handed?

I gather it was a staff member who questioned them, and they said they'd just come off the boat.

The Tesco staff were doing their job by reporting them, in the interests of a large number of people in a "busy" shop.

"Snitching" is not appropriate terminology.

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3 hours ago, Neil Down said:

why were they even bringing non essential "key workers" over in the first place?

Twenty years ago when the schools became devolved and management of the school budgets lay with the head teachers is when things began to change. The money was and is in exam enrolment. 

When the vocational equipment was being ripped out of the schools, people who knew what would happen protested loudly. People who knew argued that no every child was academic, not every child was able to study and sit GCSE’s and come out with a decent grade.

People who knew argued that we needed welders and electricians and plumbers and joiners and that some children were suited to this work and had something they excelled at.

When the school of nursing was closed people who knew argued that we needed trained nurses on the island. They argued that if we didn’t train them here we’d have to train them across and that would be expensive. The answer was that Nobles was small, we didn’t need so many, we had plenty.

Then we built the new Nobles and we had no nurses to staff it. We brought them in on the plane from the U.K., paying for their flights and their agencies fees. We did and still are paying them a fortune. 

There are many reasons why we are now importing labour that we don’t have enough of here but the main reason is that the people who knew were not listened to, are never listened to, and instead the people who don’t care about the future make the decisions. All they care about is the now, their status, their current cash flow and how it all looks on paper.

It’s not good and that’s even before you take into the account the mental state of thousands of young children pushed into an academic system where they were never going to thrive. Where, at eleven years of age they come into high school already feeling as though they’ve failed. That there’s nothing there that they can excel at any more. That has a profound effect on children, teenagers, and now adults and now the children of those adults are doing it all again. 
 

Meanwhile we pay for welders, builders, electricians, nurses etc to fly over every single day. 

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Roxanne-you are posting too much common sense on this item that it is dragging some of it away from the other threads. It is very unsettling .........but please carry on anyway.:flowers:

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Just put a notice that says:

This is the Isle of Man not the slack-arsed UK. That is why you are in shit state regarding the virus and the Isle of Man is not. Read the fucking notice you've been given and if you can't read then get someone to read it for you

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26 minutes ago, Roxanne said:

Meanwhile we pay for welders, builders, electricians, nurses etc to fly over every single day. 

Perhaps a prerequisite for being a key worker should be that they can read a simple notice.

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30 minutes ago, Roxanne said:

Twenty years ago when the schools became devolved and management of the school budgets lay with the head teachers is when things began to change. The money was and is in exam enrolment. 

When the vocational equipment was being ripped out of the schools, people who knew what would happen protested loudly. People who knew argued that no every child was academic, not every child was able to study and sit GCSE’s and come out with a decent grade.

People who knew argued that we needed welders and electricians and plumbers and joiners and that some children were suited to this work and had something they excelled at.

When the school of nursing was closed people who knew argued that we needed trained nurses on the island. They argued that if we didn’t train them here we’d have to train them across and that would be expensive. The answer was that Nobles was small, we didn’t need so many, we had plenty.

Then we built the new Nobles and we had no nurses to staff it. We brought them in on the plane from the U.K., paying for their flights and their agencies fees. We did and still are paying them a fortune. 

There are many reasons why we are now importing labour that we don’t have enough of here but the main reason is that the people who knew were not listened to, are never listened to, and instead the people who don’t care about the future make the decisions. All they care about is the now, their status, their current cash flow and how it all looks on paper.

It’s not good and that’s even before you take into the account the mental state of thousands of young children pushed into an academic system where they were never going to thrive. Where, at eleven years of age they come into high school already feeling as though they’ve failed. That there’s nothing there that they can excel at any more. That has a profound effect on children, teenagers, and now adults and now the children of those adults are doing it all again. 
 

Meanwhile we pay for welders, builders, electricians, nurses etc to fly over every single day. 

Can't argue with any of the above Roxanne.

My point is that apprentices should not be classed as "key workers" at this time. Yes they have to learn their trade but they can quite easily do that in the UK. The time served welders could and should have been instructed to teach local welders. This should have been part of the agreement/contract. Being the IOM Government however, was not even considered. Far better to just keep paying people to come over and do the jobs

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1 hour ago, Roxanne said:

Sigh.

Why is it that we have to wait for a major incident (jail, controversy on the world wide stage) before someone realises that perhaps expecting workers to come from the U.K. to a different jurisdiction with different laws to know the exact details of those laws. It’s all very well saying they should have read the forms, that the boss should have done his homework but the fact is they didn’t be he didn’t. If we’re serious about this then we have to make it completely clear as to the current position, the rules and the resultant behaviour of those rules are ignored.

There are a lot of people being paid extortionate amounts of money to ensure that the message is and always has been entirely clear  Just because the folks in charge understand, it doesn’t follow that everyone else does.

Because this is the IOM and important people think that the public listen to them and that they have power they don’t. Putting signs up, videos, and other physical reminders should have been done months ago. We do it for the TT every year as I have pointed out before when we want to try to stop accidents happening before they happen. Seeing Baker trying to justify it all to Paul Moulton this morning was hilarious. I mean who actually decided “Don't put any signs up, just get them to sign a form they probably won’t take seriously, and we’ll throw the ones who ignore it in prison at our cost instead, after they’ve had a good chance of passing it on to someone else”. It simply beggars belief. Same as there being no big food shop on the boat. But we expect people to get off and survive 14 days without being able to stock up on the way home. Because they signed a form! It just ignores reality. 

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These English fuckers were here for one reason only. To dip their snouts in the IOM public purse. The company they work for has been here before and under lockdown rules and knew the score.

In the "first wave" the UK case fatality rate was over 10%. Had these clowns started a community spread here of the same magnitude as the last one then we may have had IOM deaths. That is the reason for the precautions and that is why they were jailed.

It turns out that they were indeed carrying the virus and it remains to be seen whether their irresponsible actions have started community infection. If they were traumatized by a few days in our prison (and we've all seen that on TV) then how will they feel with a few dead people on their collective consciences. Bloody idiots is what they were and are.

 

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13 hours ago, thesultanofsheight said:

It’s hardly even worth replying to that line of response again. There is not one other country in the world where anything similar would get you 4 weeks in prison. It’s just beyond people’s normal comprehension if they live in a first world country that this sort of thing might even be sanctioned or possible by any sane publicly elected government. That’s the main issue why people seem to ignore the threat and need to be educated. It sounds like pure fantasy when visiting another so called first world country that you will end up in prison if you’re caught buying a butty in a shop. That’s the issue, form filled in or not. 

A first world country normally has first world inhabitants who are capable of understanding what they sign themselves up to.

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