the stinking enigma 11,432 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 38 minutes ago, Kopek said: What happened about the Police van? and sports car accident at the Woodborne/York lights??? Ran out of talent 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yootalkin2me 917 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 1 hour ago, John Wright said: No. 1. They’re entitled to return here for visits. 2. Anyone sentenced to life gets a tariff imposed at sentencing of a minimum number of years to be served before they can apply for parole. 3. The only jurisdiction that can deal with parole for a lifer sentenced here is, surprise, Isle of Man. 4. That’s for the families of victims so they can make representations. Natural justice. 5. The prisoner is entitled to attend his or her parole hearing and make representations. Natural justice. Its common sense that they have to come back as they approach parole. Also to allow family visits, especially currently. If they don’t get parole they’ll be returned across. Until they’re entitled to apply again. If they do get a parole board to release on licence then there’ll be a slow process of day releases, weekend releases, under supervision, and clearly that’s going to be here, and the new tags are part of the checks and balances. 5. The prisoner is entitled....poor lamb, I'm pretty sure that the person the prisoner imprisoned for life murdered was more entitled to not being murdered but hey, what do I know. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
manxst 593 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 1 hour ago, John Wright said: Very recent. Pleaded guilty on 8 September 2020. Commented upon on MF. In the ex cop, £60,000 & Rolex case thread. An inspector was charged with serious offences in 2003/4 but there was insufficient evidence for the case to proceed at committal. Around then, before the Sergeant’s aid abet benefit fraud case I’m referring to, Flinty said he knew of two command team as well. So above constable rank. Thanks. My mistake- all the press reports Id seen regarding that case had referred to him as DC or PC, but I’ve just seen one that says Sgt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Derek Flint 4,150 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 14 hours ago, John Wright said: Very recent. Pleaded guilty on 8 September 2020. Commented upon on MF. In the ex cop, £60,000 & Rolex case thread. An inspector was charged with serious offences in 2003/4 but there was insufficient evidence for the case to proceed at committal. Around then, before the Sergeant’s aid abet benefit fraud case I’m referring to, Flinty said he knew of two command team as well. So above constable rank. They went on to higher things rather than committed the offences in high office Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Wright 8,319 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 33 minutes ago, Derek Flint said: They went on to higher things rather than committed the offences in high office Not sure if that’s more or less concerning, Del. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Derek Flint 4,150 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 11 hours ago, John Wright said: Not sure if that’s more or less concerning, Del. I know my views on the subject! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Derek Flint 4,150 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) Delighted to see the DHA has finally got around to some external scrutiny for the police. Seems they are getting a 2 for 1 deal and doing the fire service too. https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/emergency-services-to-be-scrutinised-by-uk-body/ Edited October 20, 2020 by Derek Flint Typo 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Wright 8,319 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Derek Flint said: Delighted to see the DHA has finally got around to some external security for the police. Seems they are getting a 2 for 1 deal and doing the fire service too. https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/emergency-services-to-be-scrutinised-by-uk-body/ Security, or scrutiny? 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
forestboy 712 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, Derek Flint said: I know my views on the subject! Mine also Derek. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joebean 831 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 On 10/19/2020 at 5:43 PM, yootalkin2me said: 5. The prisoner is entitled....poor lamb, I'm pretty sure that the person the prisoner imprisoned for life murdered washttps://www.judgments.im/content/J902.htm more entitled to not being murdered but hey, what do I know. What, one wonders, has changed since the policy of transferring life sentence prisoners was confirmed, here: https://www.judgments.im/content/J902.htm https://www.judgments.im/content/J835.htm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thesultanofsheight 9,454 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, joebean said: What, one wonders, has changed since the policy of transferring life sentence prisoners was confirmed, here: https://www.judgments.im/content/J902.htm https://www.judgments.im/content/J835.htm Maybe family quoting visiting rights in the wake of Covid if they can’t see their murdering offspring? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Wright 8,319 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 5 hours ago, joebean said: What, one wonders, has changed since the policy of transferring life sentence prisoners was confirmed, here: https://www.judgments.im/content/J902.htm https://www.judgments.im/content/J835.htm What makes you think anything in those judgments has changed in the propositions I set out above relevant to parole hearings when approaching the fixed minimum tariff of a life sentence Quote Link to post Share on other sites
manxst 593 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 14 hours ago, Derek Flint said: Delighted to see the DHA has finally got around to some external scrutiny for the police. Seems they are getting a 2 for 1 deal and doing the fire service too. https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/emergency-services-to-be-scrutinised-by-uk-body/ Be interesting to see how things stack up, and also compare to UK forces in some aspects (do they do comparisons within the inspection?). Now all they have to do is let the Inspectorate speak to whoever they want to, instead of putting stooges/the regular Lycra gang/ass kissers in front of the microphone like the ‘Investors in People’ fiasco. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Derek Flint 4,150 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 hour ago, manxst said: Be interesting to see how things stack up, and also compare to UK forces in some aspects (do they do comparisons within the inspection?). Now all they have to do is let the Inspectorate speak to whoever they want to, instead of putting stooges/the regular Lycra gang/ass kissers in front of the microphone like the ‘Investors in People’ fiasco. I think the cops will come out pretty well in some areas, but the insularity is likely to show in others. An inspection is the very best road map to improvement and it is ridiculous that the DHA hasn’t been proactive with keeping on top of this at least every five years. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kipper99 102 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 I’d say rather different. They wouldn’t have dared have an inspection whilst one DF was in the hierarchy. They needed to wait a reasonable time after he’d left and most of the damage was undone. What better way of celebrating his departure off Island. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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