Whatnonsence 275 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 5 hours ago, Derek Flint said: I think the cops will come out pretty well in some areas, but the insularity is likely to show in others. An inspection is the very best road map to improvement and it is ridiculous that the DHA hasn’t been proactive with keeping on top of this at least every five years. An inspection is necessary and well over due. If the Chief Constable is truly independent of the executive then he would and should be demanding an inspection by the inspectorate to ensure the efficiency of the force. The silence is deafening. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joebean 831 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 14 hours ago, John Wright said: What makes you think anything in those judgments has changed in the propositions I set out above relevant to parole hearings when approaching the fixed minimum tariff of a life sentence Not sure when Newbery was sentenced but I would estimate 2007 or 2008. If I recall his tarrif was over 20 years. Given that the parole process commences at 3 years before the tarrif expires, his should start in 2025 at the earliest. This would mean your assessment of why he has returned to the Island is incorrect. My guess is that he is here for visits that cannot take place in the UK in the current Covid environment. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Derek Flint 4,156 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Kipper99 said: I’d say rather different. They wouldn’t have dared have an inspection whilst one DF was in the hierarchy. They needed to wait a reasonable time after he’d left and most of the damage was undone. What better way of celebrating his departure off Island. Well it is one way of getting away from crab-like pricks such as yourself Kipper. if you happen to grow a pair before I go, more than happy to buy the brews. I’d be fascinated to find out how I single-handedly held the force back to the extent you seem to think. Edited October 21, 2020 by Derek Flint 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kipper99 103 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 No need. Only requirement would be to ask any copper you worked with. They’d confirm. Touchy? Much? Hit a raw nerve, did I? 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
forestboy 718 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, Kipper99 said: No need. Only requirement would be to ask any copper you worked with. They’d confirm. Touchy? Much? Hit a raw nerve, did I? Cobblers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Wright 8,415 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 19 minutes ago, joebean said: Not sure when Newbery was sentenced but I would estimate 2007 or 2008. If I recall his tarrif was over 20 years. Given that the parole process commences at 3 years before the tarrif expires, his should start in 2025 at the earliest. This would mean your assessment of why he has returned to the Island is incorrect. My guess is that he is here for visits that cannot take place in the UK in the current Covid environment. Sentenced in 2003 and on remand from 9 February 2002. There was no minimum tariffs sentencing requirement in Manx law in 2003, at least I don’t think so. I think one was imposed later. After he was transferred. But I can’t find what it was. If it was 20 years it dates from 9 February 2002 and he would thus be within 2 years 4 months for parole purposes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joebean 831 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, John Wright said: Sentenced in 2003 and on remand from 9 February 2002. There was no minimum tariffs sentencing requirement in Manx law in 2003, at least I don’t think so. I think one was imposed later. After he was transferred. But I can’t find what it was. If it was 20 years it dates from 9 February 2002 and he would thus be within 2 years 4 months for parole purposes. That long ago? I stand corrected. You may be right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Wright 8,415 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, joebean said: That long ago? I stand corrected. You may be right. I am. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Derek Flint 4,156 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 26 minutes ago, Kipper99 said: No need. Only requirement would be to ask any copper you worked with. They’d confirm. Touchy? Much? Hit a raw nerve, did I? Well, why don’t you post my catalogue of catastrophe on here? Feel free, with my blessing. The public deserve to know. off you go then.... 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kopek 2,155 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Reacting to the CCs report, the DHA minister says that he is going to ''tackle'' organised crime ( drugs )! With what/whom? This seems to be the job of the Police and presumably they are tackling it. Who is DHA going to bring in? The Army, Storm Troopers??? Maybe the Police need more money? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Derek Flint 4,156 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 (edited) 49 minutes ago, joebean said: Not sure when Newbery was sentenced but I would estimate 2007 or 2008. If I recall his tarrif was over 20 years. Given that the parole process commences at 3 years before the tarrif expires, his should start in 2025 at the earliest. This would mean your assessment of why he has returned to the Island is incorrect. My guess is that he is here for visits that cannot take place in the UK in the current Covid environment. It’s amazing how we lose track of time and cases like this, which is a real endorsement of how safe the place is. Newbury committed his crimes around 2002, and I don’t think it was that much after he was trialled? Certainly before 2004. edited to add... I was spot on for once! https://www.theguardian.com/society/2004/feb/20/childrensservices.crime Edited October 21, 2020 by Derek Flint Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Roger Mexico 9,960 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Derek got in just ahead of me, but there was a minimum sentence at the original trial of 20 years as that article says (John got the rest right from memory). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Non-Believer 12,943 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 54 minutes ago, Derek Flint said: Newbury committed his crimes around 2002, and I don’t think it was that much after he was trialled? Certainly before 2004. edited to add... I was spot on for once! https://www.theguardian.com/society/2004/feb/20/childrensservices.crime I well remember it, they had the whole Strang Road cordoned off from Ballafletcher Rd roundabout to well up towards the Strang village estate, I had to divert my route home at the time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Dog's Dangly Bits 1,710 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 hour ago, joebean said: That long ago? I stand corrected. You may be right. He is. It's publicly available when he was arrested etc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
finlo 4,922 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Didn't we end up having the highest murder rate in Britain that year? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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