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1 hour ago, Boo Gay'n said:

...like Mec Vannin, the Celtic League and the Manx Labour Party!

That's not really true. Mec Vannin have always put forward a definite set of specific policies, even if they've failed to put their money where their mouths are and actually stand for election, and I seem to remember Manx Labour doing more than LV to establish and ideological identity. The Celtic League, on the other hand, is a pressure group rather than a political party.

To be fair to Lib Van, they did issue a proper manifesto and statement of their principles in the early days and looked much more like a genuine political party. Not sure what's happened since then, but they currently risk becoming the worst of both the independent and party worlds.

 

 

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Do H&B need any encouragement, legislation or otherwise, to put the prices up...?

Just as well that Australian idiot didn't reveal this as a by-election policy. https://www.tynwald.org.im/business/opqp/opqp/2020-PP-0182.pdf 3. The Hon. Member for Ramsey (Mr Hooper) to ask

He, the Australian Manx Farage, recently led a debate about whether some government institution Or other was fit for purpose. Darent do that about LibVan or himself. There’s no debate. Totally un

On 10/23/2020 at 12:55 PM, John Wright said:

He, the Australian Manx Farage, recently led a debate about whether some government institution Or other was fit for purpose.

Darent do that about LibVan or himself. There’s no debate. Totally unfit for purpose.

That being said I agree with minimum unit pricing. Don’t think it’d put up the price of beer. More like the very cheap, rot gut, cider, spirits and wine 

Are you in the running for an editorial career with the local newspapers?

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Lib Vannin manifesto would be two main themes these day :  popularist  local dog whistling and government is shit.

Hooper is too good for them.

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11 hours ago, ian rush said:

Lib Vannin manifesto would be two main themes these day :  popularist  local dog whistling and government is shit.

Hooper is too good for them.

You forgot "unmitigated tripe, followed by accusations that anyone who disagrees, even if from a position of direct personal knowledge, is either ignorant or a liar".

It would be interesting to know whether it was the candidate or the party image that contributed most to Liberal Vannin doing so poorly in the Derby Ward by-election.

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I think he suffers from small man syndrome

If god helps us, we have another lock down.

The only thing normal people did like me, is have a little drink.

I am not a connoisseur, so a couple of bottles of tescos best £1 a bottle was nice.

The definition of Liberal means "relating to or denoting a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise."

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Holte End said:

The definition of Liberal means "relating to or denoting a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise."

If Hooper is in favour of minimum pricing for alcohol, and it's difficult to tell either way from just the question, it's hard to see that going down well with his 1980s free-trader Chairman, considering the latter recently got into a right old mood over the mere idea of introducing a food-hygiene rating system on the Island.

But that's just another illustration of how hard it is for the public to get even a basic sense of what the party stands for. Josem considers a food-hygiene rating system to be "a whole new layer of red tape and regulatory burdens", but is that the party's standpoint or his own personal view? Similarly, Hooper (possibly) supports minimum pricing on alcohol, but we have no sense that other members of LibVan would support such a measure if it were introduced.

I hope they get it sorted in good time for the general election.  I'm not a fan of party politics in general, but if we are to have political parties it would be nice if they could function properly as such.

 

 

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3 hours ago, VinnieK said:

It would be interesting to know whether it was the candidate or the party image that contributed most to Liberal Vannin doing so poorly in the Derby Ward by-election.

The usual thing is how much effort got put in - and that result may suggest not much.  One thing political parties are supposed to do is provide support and I'm not sure that Lib Van has ever been much good at that since Karran stood down. 

One other factor though is something that I've been banging on about On Here since forever, which is the simple tactic of putting up as many candidates as there are vacancies.  Manx Labour seem the have been the first to do this in Derby Ward since I can remember and even I was surprised by how successful it was.  Of course you need to fight a campaign as well, but it stops second votes 'leaking' to your opponents from your supporters.

Not that Douglas Council seem particularly enthralled by Little and Large's success, with them being refused committee places and much chuntering from established councillors.  Apparently in campaigning for a seat on the Council they criticised things they do!  How very dare they!!  We can't be having with people going into politics to try to change things.

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4 hours ago, VinnieK said:

If Hooper is in favour of minimum pricing for alcohol, and it's difficult to tell either way from just the question, it's hard to see that going down well with his 1980s free-trader Chairman, considering the latter recently got into a right old mood over the mere idea of introducing a food-hygiene rating system on the Island.

But that's just another illustration of how hard it is for the public to get even a basic sense of what the party stands for. Josem considers a food-hygiene rating system to be "a whole new layer of red tape and regulatory burdens", but is that the party's standpoint or his own personal view? Similarly, Hooper (possibly) supports minimum pricing on alcohol, but we have no sense that other members of LibVan would support such a measure if it were introduced.

I hope they get it sorted in good time for the general election.  I'm not a fan of party politics in general, but if we are to have political parties it would be nice if they could function properly as such.

 

 

It’s been schizophrenic since Karran left the MLP to set up LV. A socialist who chose a UKIP member, Dick Horsnell,  to be his policy adviser.

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Lib Van has never operated as a political party and, rather than adding anything to the argument that political parties are needed here, they detract from it. As a person who perceives the need for organised political parties, deliverable manifestos and real democracy on the IOM, I wish Lib Van would disband even further and something credible emerge to give voters a proper idea about what Party Politics could mean here. 
I am not advocating Party Politics as seen in the UK. We could do better than that. 

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18 hours ago, Barlow said:

Socialism and Liberalism are not necessarily mutually exclusive with the aims of UKIP

Socialism and liberalism are pretty mutually exclusive with each other though. 

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