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6 minutes ago, John Wright said:

Are you sure? I know PK, but I don’t recall ever meeting P.K.

One of the MF dos? Certainly the other Mr Wright was there. Perhaps you were not there? Railway.

 

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Ouch, this thread is back. Not unexpected I suppose. 

With respect, you are. Without @rachomics on island PCR testing for covid would not have happened when it did, if at all. Of course, Rizwan Khan and Steve Doyle were vital too - sorry don’t know Dr Sh

Have you never heard the term whistle-blowing? Dr G. tried every avenue and was well aware of what was at risk on her island. She isn't doing this for publicity, she's been offered far better gigs tha

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1 minute ago, Barlow said:

One of the MF dos? Certainly the other Mr Wright was there. Perhaps you were not there? Railway.

 

Hadn’t realised P.K. Was there

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I was there. I made polite conversation to enough people to be able to casually shuffle myself nearer the food and especially to what I would describe as the Death By Chocolate. Very nice. It was somehow green but that is by the by. 

I was going to bend @wrighty's ear about my gammy knee, as people have an awful tendency to do with doctors at these sort of events, but bypassed that one for the buffet table.

There seemed to be a lot of people casually sat on their own at various tables around the outskirts of what they must have interpreted as the main cabal. Not wanting anyone to be left out, I asked one or two of them if they were with Manx Forums but they all looked at me with deep suspicion as if I was trying to share some sort of code word. For what I am not sure.

But yes indeed@P.K / @P.K. was there in amongst the throng and happily socialising away.

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Interesting blog post from @rachomics concerning the true costing of testing, which she works out to be around £17 each, probably less.   Obviously, as someone running a commercial lab, it's the sort of calculation she has to do all the time, though she points out that the NHS should be able to do a lot of this cheaper still.

I'd add that, she is also underestimating the numbers taking tests at the moment as being 60 plus 20 rapid tests (which she doesn't include in the costing).  In fact the current 7 day average is around 140 - and that is the lowest it has been all year.  So she probably should be using 120 not 60 as the number of swab tests.  This affects the costings because a lot of this is fixed costs, so the per test true cost will be even lower than she says.

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On 2/7/2021 at 12:58 PM, Barlow said:

One of the MF dos? Certainly the other Mr Wright was there. Perhaps you were not there? Railway.

 

you were both in the same room at the railway for sure

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17 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

So she probably should be using 120 not 60 as the number of swab tests.  This affects the costings because a lot of this is fixed costs, so the per test true cost will be even lower than she says.

As you say they are interesting things to consider, and at first glance there seems to be a discrepancy.

However I am not sure about your statement that a lot of the costs included are fixed costs. None of the costs Dr Glover has included appear to be fixed costs. Things like staff costs cannot be considered as fixed because clearly it takes more staff to take and process 120 tests than 60 tests. The other costs included appear to be mainly consumables, which will vary according to the number of tests.

Fixed costs would be things like the appropriate proportion of the costs of owning and managing the buildings required to run the operations, the cost of insuring the buildings, cleaning costs, heating and lighting costs, the cost of servicing and maintaining equipment etc. etc., none of which are included.

The calculations also don't include other non-fixed costs such as NI contributions, employers pension contributions, the cost of community swabbing in peoples homes, the 111 costs associated with booking tests and supplying results etc., which all add to the cost of providing a service. It is teasing out and correctly calculating all of those 'hidden' costs that would make calculating a true figure time consuming. 

Also, I am not sure how valid it is to ignore the equipment costs based on the fact that a Charity has bought 2 pieces of equipment. If a charity has purchased this equipment, they have less money to spend elsewhere, so there is 'a cost'. If calculating the 'true cost' per test is considered important, equipment costs should be included.

Without there being an obvious operational benefit to knowing the exact figure per test, I can see why the government wouldn't think it was worthwhile to devote resources to calculating it.

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7 minutes ago, P.K. said:

That's due to my shy and retiring nature...

You here, there, or somewhere else?

possibly I was looking out for an MHK I know? 

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4 minutes ago, John Wright said:

You here, there, or somewhere else?

possibly I was looking out for an MHK I know? 

Did you believe that the Manx Forums P.K. and the (former) MHK with the same name were the same person? (I did but for a few posts only, and when PK used full name back in manx.net days)

 

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3 minutes ago, Barlow said:

Did you believe that the Manx Forums P.K. and the (former) MHK with the same name were the same person? (I did but for a few posts only, and when PK used full name back in manx.net days)

 

No.

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21 minutes ago, piebaps said:

One appears to be able to read and write and the other was an MHK:D

It’s confusing. Both appear to live in Port St Mary, both have english homes in M-town. ( Morecambe or Manchester ). No wonder I’m confused.

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1 hour ago, piebaps said:

One appears to be able to read and write and the other was an MHK:D

But eh by gum he could speak in that there posh house down there. Just about some times, but he could give em what for.

Good chap an' all.

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On 10/26/2020 at 7:18 AM, Manx Bean said:

Thought I'd bring this thread to the fore, rightly or wrongly. Some interesting posts, reading it back. 

Whether it's significant or not, there is no Q&A with Moulton and Ashford as there usually is on a Sunday. Perhaps they've all gone to church to pray...

HQ: "Dear Lord..?"

The Lord (for it is He): “Yes, Howard?"

HQ: "Fastyr Mie my Lord. I am faced with an arduous task for which I am at a loss, going forward."

The Lord: "Is it the troublesome scientist?“

HQ: "Yes, my Lord, she will not be silenced!"

The Lord: "I will set thee a task, take unto thee this bucket and empty Sulby reservoir, when you have finished, silence shall prevail."

HQ: " But Father, the bucket has a hole in the bottom!"

The Lord: "Alas my son, be patient, your penance shall be rewarded, I am the word"

HQ: "As you wish, my Lord saviour."

It came to pass, one month later...

HQ: "Dear Lord?"

The Lord: "Ah, Howard, you have finished your penance, Sulby reservoir is empty, and I see you've also ridden that place of all the dog poo too, truly you shall be rewarded, go forth, all your troubles shall be at an end, I am all things to all men and the power to silence the scientist. Your wish shall be granted, Amen."

HQ: "Thankyou Lord."

The following Sunday...

HQ: "Dearest Lord?"

The Lord: "Howard, how art thou, hast thy trouble departed?"

HQ: "Er, no Lord, I was wondering..."

The Lord: "Yes Howard?"

HQ: "Can David have the bucket back..?"

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13 minutes ago, quilp said:

Thought I'd bring this thread to the fore, rightly or wrongly. Some interesting posts, reading it back. 

Whether it's significant or not, there is no Q&A with Moulton and Ashford as there usually is on a Sunday. Perhaps they've all gone to church to pray...

HQ: "Dear Lord..?"

The Lord (for it is He): “Yes, Howard?"

HQ: "Fastyr Mie my Lord. I am faced with an arduous task for which I am at a loss, going forward."

The Lord: "Is it the troublesome scientist?“

HQ: "Yes, my Lord, she will not be silenced!"

The Lord: "I will set thee a task, take unto thee this bucket and empty Sulby reservoir, when you have finished, silence shall prevail."

HQ: " But Father, the bucket has a hole in the bottom!"

The Lord: "Alas my son, be patient, your penance shall be rewarded, I am the word"

HQ: "As you wish, my Lord saviour."

It came to pass, one month later...

HQ: "Dear Lord?"

The Lord: "Ah, Howard, you have finished your penance, Sulby reservoir is empty, and I see you've also ridden that place of all the dog poo too, truly you shall be rewarded, go forth, all your troubles shall be at an end, I am all things to all men and the power to silence the scientist. Your wish shall be granted, Amen."

HQ: "Thankyou Lord."

The following Sunday...

HQ: "Dearest Lord?"

The Lord: "Howard, how art thou, hast thy trouble departed?"

HQ: "Er, no Lord, I was wondering..."

The Lord: "Yes Howard?"

HQ: "Can David have the bucket back..?"

I thought the same.  But someone said PM is now attached to James Davis's outfit.  It will be interesting how challenging PM is in his questioning in future. 

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