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3 minutes ago, WindJammer said:

You’re being deliberately obtuse. They were offered a license to continue using the code. They were not told to stop using it and so no delays would ever have happened. They chose not to pay fir a license fir whatever reason. If you don’t understand what intellectual property theft is then this may act as a reminder. It’s no different to illegal downloads or DVDs.

 

But she said she was helping the people . I agree the government should of dropped everything for her .  Stopped testing and sorted out their own coding going forward . If it took a month it took a month . What’s a life hey?

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Ouch, this thread is back. Not unexpected I suppose. 

Have you never heard the term whistle-blowing? Dr G. tried every avenue and was well aware of what was at risk on her island. She isn't doing this for publicity, she's been offered far better gigs tha

With respect, you are. Without @rachomics on island PCR testing for covid would not have happened when it did, if at all. Of course, Rizwan Khan and Steve Doyle were vital too - sorry don’t know Dr Sh

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1 minute ago, Manx17 said:

I agree the government should of dropped everything for her .  Stopped testing and sorted out their own coding going forward . If it took a month it took a month . What’s a life hey?

Where did I say that at all? They could have stumped up for a license and fixed the problem in 3 minutes. But clearly they didn’t for whatever reason according to her account. You’re just making stuff up. What are you specifically taking umbrage at? The fact that other people were happy to be paid £80k a year to provide support but she should have been expected to give everything for free including donating free software as she was the only one helping? 

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5 minutes ago, Manx17 said:

Your right money wasn’t the main issue . She stated that management were not listening to her and taking credit for her work , she also stated she could do ex amount of tests a day but forgot that sobbing teams are not like her robot . If it comes out to be true that Dr Glovers coding was stolen . All tax payers should pay and the government should make a briefing stating they are sorry and that they should of stopped testing and waited until they set up their own coding. Where hundreds could of ended up in hospital and dying . And the whole Manx public congratulate Dr Glover and say she is right 

But swabbing teams shouldn't be the pinch point in any testing programme.  Done properly it needs care and an ability to deal with people sympathetically, but it doesn't require much training and it doesn't require medically qualified staff.  The Army have been used a lot in the UK and no doubt there are others who would be willing to help as we have seen with the offers from many suitable people to help with the vaccination programme.

But it's already been noted that the DHSC has been unwilling to use even well-qualified people from outside their staff to help there and there seems to be an obsession that only people on the public payroll should benefit from such additional employment - even if it means a worse service. 

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1 minute ago, The Voice of Reason said:

It’s certainly a toxic little forum 

Only to those who believe that the general public shouldn't be able to debate and scrutinise the affairs of the Island openly on the internet.

Some local politicians have previously expressed this opinion publicly.

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3 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Do you know I wouldn’t have expected that response in a million years!

Somebody has to shine a light in this cesspit.

Im sure the founding fathers of this forum must be aghast at what it has become and the level of “debate” that it has been reduced to.

Priceless.

 

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15 minutes ago, WindJammer said:

Where did I say that at all? They could have stumped up for a license and fixed the problem in 3 minutes. But clearly they didn’t for whatever reason according to her account. You’re just making stuff up. What are you specifically taking umbrage at? The fact that other people were happy to be paid £80k a year to provide support but she should have been expected to give everything for free including donating free software as she was the only one helping? 

Your forgetting she had already made a fuss by that point and quit . Remember we are in a middle of a pandemic I’m sure the dhsc and  government have more than covid to deal with I’m sure all government are very grateful as the public are for what Dr Glover did for us all . She would of known what would happen taking the robot or coding away would do to the islands people . If government or any of the dhsc used her coding they did it in the best interest to get people tested to prevent a mass out break . All I have seen unless I’ve missed it , has been praise from government to Dr Glover . Dr Ewart stated we didn’t need Dr Glovers lab as it would not change the stance of what they would do if unknown cases were found andtests were sent to Liverpool to find out variants .I did think differently to Dr Glover up until the point of her stating another government asked for her help and she was hesitant because it might show them more on top than the Isle of Man and they all laughed in the meeting . So it is actually about status and not people . Our health minister does not seem to be a person to play games and as a person born on the island I don’t want to be apart of a game so it puts a person in the lime light . 

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9 minutes ago, Manx17 said:

Our health minister does not seem to be a person to play games and as a person born on the island I don’t want to be apart of a game so it puts a person in the lime light . 

Glover was born on the island too if the only qualification that matters to you is that you have been born on this island and therefore that makes you a more trustworthy person than anyone else.

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7 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Somebody has to shine a light in this cesspit.

Im sure the founding fathers of this forum must be aghast at what it has become and the level of “debate” that it has been reduced to.

Now you're just getting desperate. And as Uhtred posted, your comment is "priceless." If it's causing you so much heartache don't sign in. I’ve reminded you before, we live in a supposed 'democracy' where free-speech is a given, that's what posters on here are doing, exercising that right. You're getting frustrated because we're not toe-ing the line and hate the fact that we're reading between the lines of government's dialogue and agenda. Most of us are sick to the back teeth with the way things are run on this Island and use this platform as a vehicle to express our discontent, it's our right and don't you forget it.

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5 minutes ago, WindJammer said:

Glover was born on the island too if the only qualification that matters to you is that you have been born on this island and therefore that makes you a more trustworthy person than anyone else.

I don’t think your getting it , answer me this if you can . Why is Dr Glover putting on Twitter how she will do tests for free or work 18 hours through the night for free for the same people she went  to the police about alleging theft of coding ? 
 

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4 minutes ago, Manx17 said:

I don’t think your getting it , answer me this if you can . Why is Dr Glover putting on Twitter how she will do tests for free or work 18 hours through the night for free for the same people she went  to the police about alleging theft of coding ? 
 

You're ignoring the time-line, either deliberately or through just plain ignorance. She was acting altruistically before the arrangement went tit's up and felt she was being taken for a ride. 

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