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8 hours ago, TheTeapot said:

What reason is that then?

The Voice of Reason always reminds me of that old tap on the shoulder at the urinal and the piss on your shoes. I wonder how much we're paying him in salary and pension ? He sounds comfortable and smug in his clover.

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11 hours ago, Gladys said:

Here we go again.

The problem is that many MHKs think the GMP are as stupid as them so will swallow any old tripe. 

Perhaps the real problem is that most of them do, Gladys.

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12 hours ago, Gladys said:

Here we go again.

The problem is that many MHKs think the GMP are as stupid as them so will swallow any old tripe. 

 

1 hour ago, Roxanne said:

Perhaps the real problem is that most of them do, Gladys.

Very thought-provoking observations.

A quote from ‘Chris Thomas’ from their post on IOM Today website: ”Every MHK has worked tirelessly for constituents and better law and policy through the pandemic”. Really? My view is that this is just electioneering claptrap and that it means nothing. Unfortunately, MHKs have every reason to believe that the GMP will accept the nonsence that has been dished out by them in the past. IMHO, the GMP are may not be stupid, but at this stage most of them are simply just not interested. But why are they so accepting?

IMHO, because a sizeable proportion of the GMP are either civil servants, farmers or elderly, they want things to stay as they are – they don’t want change. The incompetence of senior civil servants, whether it’s in Health, Education, Infrastructure, and the inability of Tynwald to get a grip on what is happening is absolutely staggering, but no one seems to care. Therefore, it is allowed to continue to fester with impunity. However, as I have said on this forum before, ‘fateful events” may soon be coming here to roost.

The G7’s decision to implement an international minimum corporations tax rate (probably 15%) is imminent and, according to the Manx Radio and The Times, this agreement may be reached as soon as next week. The GMP can deride this decision to their hearts content, but we are mere tiny players on the global political stage and we will also need to adapt to this changing reality. If our politicians/civil servants are unable to put a fancy strip of concrete on a road on time and on budget, what hope do they have to master something as complex and difficult as a new international tax regime?

The culture of mediocracy in both the civil service and general life has been cultivated on this Island for years. This must change. The future of the Island depends on it.

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2 minutes ago, code99 said:

 

Very thought-provoking observations.

A quote from ‘Chris Thomas’ from their post on IOM Today website: ”Every MHK has worked tirelessly for constituents and better law and policy through the pandemic”. Really? My view is that this is just electioneering claptrap and that it means nothing. Unfortunately, MHKs have every reason to believe that the GMP will accept the nonsence that has been dished out by them in the past. IMHO, the GMP are may not be stupid, but at this stage most of them are simply just not interested. But why are they so accepting?

IMHO, because a sizeable proportion of the GMP are either civil servants, farmers or elderly, they want things to stay as they are – they don’t want change. The incompetence of senior civil servants, whether it’s in Health, Education, Infrastructure, and the inability of Tynwald to get a grip on what is happening is absolutely staggering, but no one seems to care. Therefore, it is allowed to continue to fester with impunity. However, as I have said on this forum before, ‘fateful events” may soon be coming here to roost.

The G7’s decision to implement an international minimum corporations tax rate (probably 15%) is imminent and, according to the Manx Radio and The Times, this agreement may be reached as soon as next week. The GMP can deride this decision to their hearts content, but we are mere tiny players on the global political stage and we will also need to adapt to this changing reality. If our politicians/civil servants are unable to put a fancy strip of concrete on a road on time and on budget, what hope do they have to master something as complex and difficult as a new international tax regime?

The culture of mediocracy in both the civil service and general life has been cultivated on this Island for years. This must change. The future of the Island depends on it.

Add to that a political system that discourages scrutiny, opposition and clear policy commitments for the public to vote for and you have a recipe for more of the same and mediocrity. Whilst the Island has prospered large despite of our politics, more of the same in a changing global environment is not going to work well.

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3 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said:

I genuinely haven’t got the faintest idea what that is supposed to mean.

SMUJ is either “pretty police”, cruising public urinals, entrapping men who have sex with men, or has been lifted for cottaging

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6 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said:

I genuinely haven’t got the faintest idea what that is supposed to mean.

So, basically, you're David Ashford's girlfriend (Kat) and the reason you don't understand is because you've never been inside a urinal. 

Figures. 

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34 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Thanks for the explanation.
Still not sure where the piss on your shoes fits in though. 

I must say I assumed that this was a reference to the sort of politicians who "piss on your shoes and try the convince you it's raining". 

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12 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

I must say I assumed that this was a reference to the sort of politicians who "piss on your shoes and try the convince you it's raining". 

It did cross my mind that it meant if you were in a public toilet someone would urinate on your footwear to indicate they were looking for a homosexual liaison.

I prefer your version.

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12 hours ago, Shake me up Judy said:

The Voice of Reason always reminds me of that old tap on the shoulder at the urinal and the piss on your shoes. I wonder how much we're paying him in salary and pension ? He sounds comfortable and smug in his clover.

While we’re at it, “smug in his clover”. What does that mean? 
 

Must you always talk in riddles?

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50 minutes ago, Gladys said:

Perhaps it's the piss up your back and tell you it's raining saying. Very descriptive and nothing to do with liaisons, homosexual or otherwise. 

Nope,

read back SMUJ definitely referred to “piss on your shoes”

Kipper provided the reference to police entrapment of homosexuals and taps on the shoulder at the urinals, which are after all are an exclusively male environment.

All in all the post from SMUJ seems very confused to me

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