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Just now, Ham_N_Eggs said:

Her judgement is clouded by? Being trolled on here? Remember necromancy was performed on this thread after it had been dead for five months because @Newsdesk wanted to say this about her "Talk about bitter and twisted .." <-- that is trolling

It’s not trolling to be fair. It’s an opinion. I know that expressing genuine opinions are unpopular these days but it is simply that. It’s a very sad day when people can’t express an opinion on a debating forum. It comes across as bitter and twisted … discuss …

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7 minutes ago, Newsdesk said:

It’s not trolling to be fair. It’s an opinion. I know that expressing genuine opinions are unpopular these days but it is simply that. It’s a very sad day when people can’t express an opinion on a debating forum. It comes across as bitter and twisted … discuss …

from the Cambridge online dictionary

"informal

to intentionally do or say something annoying or offensive in order to upset someone, or to get attention or cause trouble"
 
10 minutes ago, Newsdesk said:

Talk about bitter and twisted ..

You intentionally said this: most likely to get attention; probably to upset her; and you have definitely caused trouble.

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1 minute ago, Ham_N_Eggs said:

from the Cambridge online dictionary

"informal

to intentionally do or say something annoying or offensive in order to upset someone, or to get attention or cause trouble"
 

You intentionally said this: most likely to get attention; probably to upset her; and you have definitely caused trouble.

I’m not seeking to attract attention or cause trouble. Neither have I been deliberately annoying or offensive. But disagreeing with someone has never been trolling in my book. It does seem to appear that the wokes have taken over on here. You can’t apparently express an opinion on anything without being accused of being a troll. 

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1 minute ago, Ham_N_Eggs said:

from the Cambridge online dictionary

"informal

to intentionally do or say something annoying or offensive in order to upset someone, or to get attention or cause trouble"
 

You intentionally said this: most likely to get attention; probably to upset her; and you have definitely caused trouble.

Yes but to get out of addressing difficult questions some just say “ you are just trolling”

PK uses that a lot. Doesn’t seem to realize that people see through that

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4 minutes ago, Newsdesk said:

I’m not seeking to attract attention or cause trouble. Neither have I been deliberately annoying or offensive. But disagreeing with someone has never been trolling in my book. It does seem to appear that the wokes have taken over on here. You can’t apparently express an opinion on anything without being accused of being a troll. 

...and yet you have. I suppose it's just a serendipitous coincidence that both attention and trouble followed your ill phrased post. 

It's not "wokes" that are the problem it's bitter and twisted trolls trying to pull people down under their miserable little dank bridges. 

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Just now, Ham_N_Eggs said:

...and yet you have. I suppose it's just a serendipitous coincidence that both attention and trouble followed your ill phrased post. 

Isn’t this a forum for debate? I found her original Twitter post amusing. I re-posted it here to see what others thought of it. Other people created or delivered the real trouble. It had nothing to do with me. In fact another poster seems to have got blasted for posts I made. It shouldn’t have been that hard to keep up. 

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24 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Yes but to get out of addressing difficult questions some just say “ you are just trolling”

PK uses that a lot. Doesn’t seem to realize that people see through that

Just noticed he’s done it again in International News re Boris Johnson thread. He’s started using “PPT”  I’ve cottoned on this is his shorthand for “Piss Poor Trolling” which is his response to postings he doesn’t understand ( of which there is a lot)

 

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3 minutes ago, Roxanne said:

I don't know what Rachel posts on Twitter.  I don't go there. I don't even know Rachel apart from on here and a zoom conversation we had once. I

So you basically have zero real life knowledge of her then?

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37 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Yes but to get out of addressing difficult questions some just say “ you are just trolling”

PK uses that a lot. Doesn’t seem to realize that people see through that

Glover is clearly mental. Most people seem to be pointing out the fact that she’s obviously mental. She’s likely sat there now watching this thread with two pencils up her nose and a pair of big knickers on her head. 

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1 minute ago, Steady Eddie said:

Glover is clearly mental. Most people seem to be pointing out the fact that she’s obviously mental. She’s likely sat there now watching this thread with two pencils up her nose and a pair of big knickers on her head. 

I can never remember is it libel or slander when some writes a defamatory statement about someone?

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4 minutes ago, Roxanne said:

Did you read her evidence to the PAC? Did you read what they did to her? How they stole her intellectual property and passed it off as their own, while at the same time, shutting her out? Do you think it is coindenece that both Ashford and Ewart have gone? Do you think that was just about the Ransom enquiry?

I don't know what Rachel posts on Twitter.  I don't go there. I don't even know Rachel apart from on here and a zoom conversation we had once. 

I do however know men and women who have experienced exactly the same treatment that Rachel was exposed to, and the majority behave exactly as Rachel behaved while all this was emerging. It was not to her credit but it's what she felt compelled to do. Taking the moral high ground is ALWAYS the best way but too many victims are too exhausted, too confused and in too much pain to even consider that. It's not just emotional, it's chemical.  

When it was all good. when Rachel thought she was going to be able to do something really good, for free to the country that she was born in and loved, something altruistic, chemicals and hormones are released. Seratonin, oxytocin, dopamine and norepinephrine are rushing through and it fells really good.

Then the rug was pulled

Then, instead of sitting back like a good girl and being respectful to the imposters in the field of genomics and it's effects on Covid tracking, instead she starting fighting back, and they didn't expect that.

She didn't waver. I couldn't look it was so awful to witness (soz Rachel) but she kept going like a fucking whining puppy dog. 

When an abusive relationship ends,  5% of people believe one party is the baddie and 5% of people believe the other is the baddy and 90% of the people don't give a shit. Rachel kept going until more and more people took one side or another.  She kept them talking, for good or bad...

At the same time she was experiencing so much shit behind the scenes and putting up with so much crap personally and professionally.

And why?

Because she wanted to do something she was really good at for the island. Yes, there are people who would take great pride in this honour and do something selfless at a time of great need and I believe Rachel is one of them.

Why didn't it happen?

Because she scared the shit out of the imposters. She called them out on their bullshit professionally but these lot aren't professionals, they run on ego, so telling them the truth didn't help them self review their own behaviour, they just did what they've always done - bullying/abusing - just as has gone on through civil service forever - just as happed to Dr Ransom. 

And funnily enough, the same people were involved in both cases.

And yet time after time, this comes up and it usually is from men, that she's a victim (yes, the she is actually - or more a survivor), that she's mad, doom monger, attention seeker, paranoid, martyr, yada yada - instead of just seeing the nose in front of their faces.

 Unless you have ever endured sustained bulling from and at the highest level.

If you have not been targeted, groomed, enticed, devalued, blamed,gaslit, stonewalled (and this the worst with Rachel begging to help and to start again without rancour, without charge - and she was completely and utterly stonewalled. if you have never been in a situation such as this then you will never understand.  If you have found yourself in a situation such as this then what I have written will be extremely familiar to you and will resonate deeply.

Because abusers all do the same things.  it's like they all subconsciously read the same handbook. So, when you know what those behaviour are you know how to spot that behaviour. And many people, spotted I hands down.

So, VoR, I do not believe my 'insight' is wrong on this occasion.

Rachel, I have made a lot of assumptions in the above.  I'm quite happy for you to tell me I am talking bollocks if you believe I am. 

Unsurprisingly, Steadie Eddie laughs. 

All of what you say is probably true. But, without breaching a confidence, I did suggest to her that she maintain the moral high ground, but when you have been subjected to what she has suffered  you can understand.

 

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3 minutes ago, Steady Eddie said:

Glover is clearly mental. Most people seem to be pointing out the fact that she’s obviously mental. She’s likely sat there now watching this thread with two pencils up her nose and a pair of big knickers on her head. 

You are an objectionable human being, simples. 

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1 minute ago, Ham_N_Eggs said:

I can never remember is it libel or slander when some writes a defamatory statement about someone?

Easy way, 's' is spoken therefore 'l' has to be written. 

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