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Clinical Data Miner..? 

Cadbury’s Dairy Milk, and bar? Don’t you remember “I’m sorry I’ll read that again”? On Radio Prune and starring Angus Prune and Lady  Constance de Coverlet

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26 minutes ago, tetchtyke said:

 

It's the lack of judgement that I find puzzling because, up to now, he's actually done a good job in very difficult circumstances.

I think what has happened here is an overload of ego and backslapping. The MBE doesn't help.

Such people can feel they are king and can do no wrong in the eyes of the minions.

Accolades and adulation above their station. 

Which is a shame really.

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1 hour ago, tetchtyke said:

I couldn't give the tiniest little shite about the merits of the spat between Dr Glover and Minister Ashford.

I just really don't get why a grown adult politician lowered himself to this. I don't get the thought process. You thank everyone at the lab for their work, say you're sorry she feels like that, and get on with running the country.

It's the lack of judgement that I find puzzling because, up to now, he's actually done a good job in very difficult circumstances.

He allowed his ego to get the better of him. He took what was a relatively minor inter-department disagreement to heart and wanted to make a public show for reasons only he can answer. It was a really poor show of judgement and one I hope Paul Moulton keeps at like a dog with a bone, which to be fair to him he is attempting to do.

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34 minutes ago, Lxxx said:

He allowed his ego to get the better of him. He took what was a relatively minor inter-department disagreement to heart and wanted to make a public show for reasons only he can answer. It was a really poor show of judgement and one I hope Paul Moulton keeps at like a dog with a bone, which to be fair to him he is attempting to do.

Nail on head.

And in this case he's really shown his true colours - and they're neither good nor true.

The whole thing is now taking on an air of pantomime farce. His sweaty grey face yesterday when PM accused him of making allegations was a sight to behold.  A pantomime dame in the making. Reactive, blustering and defensive and in no way responsive. In no way what one might expect of a senior Minister.

Given the previous I wouldn't be at all surprised if the next press conference has him gleefully exclaiming that he's actually made a mistake, and he hasn't destroyed it after all while waving a grubby piece of handwritten A4 around.

(just as the vicar arrives at the door with his trousers down)

Oh no he didn't.

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1 hour ago, Lxxx said:

He took what was a relatively minor inter-department disagreement to heart and wanted to make a public show for reasons only he can answer.

Well, due to a swift shred there is now no proof that this inter-departmental disagreement existed in the first place. Seems there are quite a few who allege that it was a fast and loose fabrication. 

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8 minutes ago, Lxxx said:

He allowed his ego to get the better of him. He took what was a relatively minor inter-department disagreement to heart and wanted to make a public show for reasons only he can answer. It was a really poor show of judgement and one I hope Paul Moulton keeps at like a dog with a bone, which to be fair to him he is attempting to do.

I'm not so sure that it's his ego that is the problem here, he's always been careful to praise Dr Glover and her work.  The real hatred towards @rachomics seems to be coming from two sources. 

One is Quayle and his entourage, who dislike the idea of anyone but themselves getting credit for anything - Quayle simply refused to say anything in praise of Glover when directly asked in the Keys.  All that they will admit to is the most generalised thanks to all those in the 'team' with the implication that everything is really because of those at the top of the pile and the peasants actually doing the work should just be grateful for such wonderful leadership.

The second is the DHSC management, who Rachel has had problems with in the past.  I think that the letter was genuine and from one of them - as I said last night Ashford didn't say that the letter was from someone involved in the testing, just the 'wider team'.   We sometimes get angry,abusive defenders of the civil service bureaucracy on Manx Forums and this has the same tone: semi-literate, self-regarding, sulky, demanding, unable to make a rational argument or even recognise one. 

Their only belief is that they should get endless rewards and praise simply for who they are, not what they have done.  And any questioning of what they do (no matter if obviously incompetent, irrational, dangerous or even illegal) is regarded as the most dreadful impertinence. 

Looking at the interaction between Quayle and Ashford at that press conference, I suspect the idea of reading out that ridiculous letter came from Quayle or his minions - he always gets other people to do his dirty work.  He probably resents the MBE and this was the equivalent of a punishment beating.  And that shows the real problem with Ashford, it's not his ego but the fact he is weak.

 

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Maybe we should set up a petition...

"In order to recognise her part in setting up “a testing regime that is second to none” and ”the envy of many countries”, we request that Chief Minister Howard Quayle nominates Dr Rachel Glover for an MBE."

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Just now, Declan said:

Maybe we should set up a petition...

"In order to recognise her work in setting up “a testing regime that is second to none” and ”the envy of many countries”, we request that Chief Minister Howard Quayle nominates Dr Rachel Glover for an MBE."

You need to get 'over and above' in there somewhere.  It's one of DA's favourites.  It was also used in the anonymous letter.

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