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We’ll start publicly giving you the recognition we should have been giving you all along and you stop whining about how abysmally we’ve handled the situation up till now. 
 

A bit like they did with Manx Radio. 

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9 hours ago, Apple said:

If you listen to to the clip on that, the praise is rather grudging and Ashford continues to maintain that the way in which government is reaching their decisions is the right one.  He is misleading in implying that @rachomics is demanding that her advice be the only one that is listened to, whereas all she has been complaining about is that it wasn't asked for at all.  And neither was advice from other sources such as Public Health it appears.  Effectively Ashford is confirming this 

As so often this is more revealing than intended.  What is important in determining policy is clearly not not the arguments and evidence put forward or the experience and knowledge or track record of those contributing.  All that matters is whether you are one of the 'right' people - a member of the correct club.  And then long rigmaroles  and endless committee meetings have to be gone through to make sure that responsibility can never be pinned on anyone if things go wrong.

Then in reality the actual decisions are made on a whim by an uninformed and bullying individual.  But they know they can get away with it because the whole system is actually designed to cover everything up and if things go wrong no one will ever be held responsible.  In practice the purpose of these elaborate charades of policy-making  is to keep all those involved employed and feeling important rather than coming to the right decisions.

 

[1]  He's also misleading in suggesting that she was a contractor.  That might be the situation now, but she was employed on 'bank' terms initially at least (I think she tweeted about this a while back) and these are technically employees, though not with permanent contracts.  Though why being a contractor should mean that your advice ought to be ignored is another mystery - the whole point of contractors is that you are paying them for their expertise.

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5 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

If you listen to to the clip on that, the praise is rather grudging and Ashford continues to maintain that the way in which government is reaching their decisions is the right one.  He is misleading in implying that @rachomics is demanding that her advice be the only one that is listened to, whereas all she has been complaining about is that it wasn't asked for at all.  And neither was advice from other sources such as Public Health it appears.  Effectively Ashford is confirming this 

As so often this is more revealing than intended.  What is important in determining policy is clearly not not the arguments and evidence put forward or the experience and knowledge or track record of those contributing.  All that matters is whether you are one of the 'right' people - a member of the correct club.  And then long rigmaroles  and endless committee meetings have to be gone through to make sure that responsibility can never be pinned on anyone if things go wrong.

Then in reality the actual decisions are made on a whim by an uninformed and bullying individual.  But they know they can get away with it because the whole system is actually designed to cover everything up and if things go wrong no one will ever be held responsible.  In practice the purpose of these elaborate charades of policy-making  is to keep all those involved employed and feeling important rather than coming to the right decisions.

 

[1]  He's also misleading in suggesting that she was a contractor.  That might be the situation now, but she was employed on 'bank' terms initially at least (I think she tweeted about this a while back) and these are technically employees, though not with permanent contracts.  Though why being a contractor should mean that your advice ought to be ignored is another mystery - the whole point of contractors is that you are paying them for their expertise.

Well you kept your face straight there Roger because throughout that post you wrote as if it was likely that logic, reason and common sense would emanate from IOMG. 

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The only problem with this "spat" for me is you can't have your cake and eat it.

You can't tag Tim Glover in Tweets slagging off the Gov and then be surprised it becomes news stories, talk about how your position allows you to bare it all and speak your mind then delete your Twitter. 

I personally am as thankful for the public outing of poor management as I am for the excellent work undertaken to help the IOM with Covid testing. But this is just the opening salvo - the IOM needs to tackle it properly and having a fight and then silence with a few trumpet blowing comments that are easy to turn by the usual suspects doesn't help the long term progress.

I can hear it now from the exact people we need rid of "yeah did you see her say she's more of a Doctor than Doctors? the nerve of her thinking she's better than us because she was in the UK in 15 years" while you've got Ashy and the Quayle polishing their gongs and going into tortoise defence mode closing the circle against any form of criticism. 

It disappoints me completely and utterly on multiple levels.

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17 minutes ago, Rhumsaa said:

The only problem with this "spat" for me is you can't have your cake and eat it.

You can't tag Tim Glover in Tweets slagging off the Gov and then be surprised it becomes news stories, talk about how your position allows you to bare it all and speak your mind then delete your Twitter. 

Last I read, Rachel Glover was also receiving a fair bit of abuse online from those who don't believe in the seriousness of the pandemic or have an axe to grind concerning the measures taken to contain it, which may be responsible or play a part in the disappearance of her twitter account.

The comment about being a 'real' doctor was self-defeating and a bit cringe-inducing though.

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2 minutes ago, VinnieK said:

Last I read, Rachel Glover was also receiving a fair bit of abuse online from those who don't believe in the seriousness of the pandemic or have an axe to grind concerning the measures taken to contain it, which may be responsible or play a part in the disappearance of her twitter account.

I hadn't considered that other people would start harassing her but I should have because that's obviously what horrible idiotic people would do to someone who's been helping the island massively.

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13 minutes ago, VinnieK said:

Last I read, Rachel Glover was also receiving a fair bit of abuse online from those who don't believe in the seriousness of the pandemic or have an axe to grind concerning the measures taken to contain it, which may be responsible or play a part in the disappearance of her twitter account.

The comment about being a 'real' doctor was self-defeating and a bit cringe-inducing though.

Not at all a Ph. D is a real Doctor ask any Medic

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Just now, Rhumsaa said:

I hadn't considered that other people would start harassing her but I should have because that's obviously what horrible idiotic people would do to someone who's been helping the island massively.

Yeah, if I remember correctly, one of the last tweets was about getting such harassment—something along the lines of how she and people doing similar work should face some kind of Nuremberg-style trial.

I suppose it completely makes sense to the kind of histrionic apocalypse-junkies who think we're now living in a police state.

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Just now, VinnieK said:

Yeah, if I remember correctly, one of the last tweets was about getting such harassment—something along the lines of how she and people doing similar work should face some kind of Nuremberg-style trial.

I suppose it completely makes sense to the kind of histrionic apocalypse-junkies who think we're now living in a police state.

Well we're definitely living in a dystopian future right now but..... Choose which one you'd prefer. Cake or death?

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19 minutes ago, alpha-acid said:

Not at all a Ph. D is a real Doctor ask any Medic

I do have a Ph. D and already know a few medics, but the comparative levels of our qualifications have never really come up that much—largely because such a comparison is actually pretty facile when you consider the differing nature of the training (on-going, in the case of medics) and focus (incredibly narrow, in the case of Ph. D's) of each.

Don't get me wrong. I'm certainly not denigrating Rachel Glover's expertise, but that's a different matter and one of experience and a skill-set that's been built up over years. As I say, I just found the simple comparison of a Ph. D, on its own, and a medical degree a bit silly and cringe-inducing because of that.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Rhumsaa said:

Well we're definitely living in a dystopian future right now but..... Choose which one you'd prefer. Cake or death?

Cake...wait...is it poisoned?

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13 minutes ago, VinnieK said:

Cake...wait...is it poisoned?

Oh poison cake too good for you is it?

Bloody coming here with your fancy PhD and no poisoned cake talk.

Poison cake was good enough for my family you know.... Until they died on account of the poisoning of course... But apart from that.

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4 minutes ago, Rhumsaa said:

Poison cake was good enough for my family you know.... Until they died on account of the poisoning of course... But apart from that.

Ok.  Does the cake at least taste nice?  I don't want my last moments on earth to be filled with indifference towards a bland bit of battenberg.

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